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Umm Yahya bint Mahammed
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Asalamu alykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu
Just wanted to know, are there any refutations from the Ulamah regarding the one who says the madhab of Saudi Arabia is Hanbalee?
I was talking to an individual about not blind following madhabs but to stick to the madhab of the salaf. This person told me that The kingdom of Saudi Arabia is Hanbalee, I know this is not true (heard this doubt before and read something upon it, can't remember by which sh.)so insha'Allah I would appreciate it if someone posted about what the ulamah have to say about the one who claims this.
Jazakallah khair
wa alykum salaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu
"In my time people where not impressed by speech, they were impressed by Actions. Any one can say whatever he wants"-Muhammeed Ibn Qaasim
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| JameelFinch
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As Salaamu 'Alaykum,
Bismillah,
Sh. Fawzaan mentions that, "The Math-hab that is followed in the Kingdom of Saudi 'Arabia is the Hanbali Math-hab. But one has to understand what is meant by this comment. One of two things can be meant by this:
[1] - That the scholars of The Kingdom of Saudi 'Arabia are BLIND FOLLOWERS of the Hanbali Math-hab, and this is clearly not true.
[2] - That the scholars of The Kingdom of Saudi 'Arabia rely heavily on the books of Hanabli Fiqh, and that they take what agrees with the proofs and leave what doesn't. This is the correct understanding of the statement that The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia follows the Hanbali Math-hab" End of Sh. Fawzaan's words.
I'll reference the book where Sh. Fawzaan makes this statement when I get to my books, inshaa Allah. I am travelling right now.
Added benefits around this topic:
1. In the Religious Elementary, Middle and High Schools in Saudi Arabia the fiqh book that is studied is Zaad 'Al-Mustaqn'i (with its explanations) a well known Hanbali Fiqh book.
2. In the University Of Umm al-Quraa in Makkah, and The University of Riyadh, the Book Ar-Rawd Al-Murb'i is studied in Fiqh. This is another well known Hanbali fiqh book.
3. Sh. Fawzaan's famous fiqh book Al-Mulakhas Al-Fiqhee is a summarization of Ar-Rawd Al-Murb'i', a well known Hanbali Fiqh Book.
4. Sh. Uthaymeen's book Sharhul-Mumt'i is an explanation of Zaad al-Mustaqn'i a well known Hanbali Fiqh book.
5. It should be noted that these Hanbali Fiqh books are complemented with a book of Hadeeth, usually Buloogh al-Maraam or Umdatul-Ahkaam. This is so the student can be aware of the proofs and opposing positions surrounding the fiqh issues he studies.
And Allah knows best.
There is a Fatwaa in the Permanent Committee of Scholar's collection of Fataawaa that discusses following Math-habs. Maybe one of the bothers can post it.
Jameel Finch
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Aboo Haaroon Husayn Ahmad ibn Jamal
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Wa 'alaykumussalaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh,
Generally, when someone is accused of the likes of this, then the burden of proof is upon the one who makes the claim.
In any case, this question was posed to Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan in a recording of the Explanation of the Four Fundamental Principles. The recording I have is dated December 5th, 2005.
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From Lecture: "Explanation of the Four Fundamental Principles"
Date: December 5th, 2005
In the Question and Answer session, the Shaykh was asked:
(From the transcription of the English Translation of the lecture):
Question (to Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan): My parents are not upon the correct methodology and Allaah, subhaanahu wa ta 'alaa, has guided me to the Qur'aan and Sunnah upon the methodology of the Sahaabah. But my parents are causing trouble for me, and they claim that all of the scholars in Saudi Arabia are "Wahhaabi" and that the scholars of Saudi Arabia do not consider the scholars of the Four Madhaahib to be legitimate and that they degrade them from their just position. Therefore it is not permissible to take knowledge from the scholars of Saudi Arabia. So how do we refute this shubhah (doubt)?
Answer (from Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan): This is a lie. This is not true. The ulamaa of Saudia Arabia do not make it haraam/prohibited to follow the Four Madhaahib. And they (the madhaahib) are taught in this land.
So the Four Madhaahib are found, and they are taught, and they are learned, so this is baatil (falsehood). This is incorrect. But concerning the fatwa, giving the verdicts and laws, then these are based upon the fiqh al-Hanbalee (the Hanbalee fiqh).
Because this is the madhab of our fatwa here, and it is the madhab of the leaders in this area. And this is not something that is strange. Because every dawlaa, every nation, every country, follows a path. And as long as this madhab that they follow is not contradictory to the Book and the Sunnah, then it is not contradicting, and there is no problem.
As for following all four madhaahib in one area, then this would cause confusion and disputes and splitting. So it is necessary that the fatwa and the manhaj, the methodology, be one and be followed in the same way and that the ways of teaching and learning are all in one way.
And the four madhaahib are studied for the benefit. And the benefit of them is knowing the proofs that they come with and taking the best opinion from between them.
And we take with the strongest saying, the raajih, even if it is in opposition to the madhab al-Hanbalee. And this is what our mashaykh from before have done.
Because what is important here is that we find the haqq. That we find the truth and that we follow it. So if we find the truth with any of one of the other four madhaahib then we take it, and we follow it.
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Umm Yahya bint Mahammed
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Asalamu alykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu
Jazakallah khair for the benefit,
what I meant by the person saying that The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia are Hanbali's is that she was trying to justify sticking to a particular madhab (shafi'ee)and the views of a particular Imaam, even if it contradicts the truth.
Alhamdulillah, from what I gathered is that The Kingdom of Saudia Arabia study Hanbali fiqh with Ahadeeth Books and take the truth wherever it comes from?
Nevertheless, Jazakallah khair for the clarification.
"In my time people where not impressed by speech, they were impressed by Actions. Any one can say whatever he wants"-Muhammeed Ibn Qaasim
Umm yahya bint muhammed
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The Salafee scholars follow a madhhab in the way that isn't a bid'ah.
No one should assume that the fanatic taqleed that is shown today has any Islamic precedent.
And Abu Muslimah said:
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Al-Hamdulillaah I can easily say that I studied in the University of Madeenah, that they aren't teaching the Madhhab (methodology) as-Salafee, in the University of Madeenah, nor are the scholars of Arabia known to be the scholars of the Da'wah As-Salafiyyah, in this world, and the bigger ones that are calling to this Da'wah, but that those scholars there in Arabia they're known as Hanbalee scholars, and that's their madhhab (methodology), and they teach it and they taught it and they call the people to their madhhab...
http://troid.org/media/pdf/aboomuslimah1.pdf , p. 7 |
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This is arbitrary tabdee' on a massive scale.
What's ironic is that an individual will defend Abu Muslimah and say that the Salafee who criticizes him is extreme. Yet, Abu Muslimah declared ALL OF ARABIA'S SCHOLARS to be Ahl al-Bid'ah.
Pages 7-9 has a thorough treatment of the issue.
http://troid.org/media/pdf/aboomuslimah1.pdf
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unspecified ساجد
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