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Umm.Eeasa.Beg
07-10-2003 @ 10:17 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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Bismiallah Ar Rahmaan Ar Raheem
Asalamu aleykum
I have shaykh albanees (Rahimahullah) book, the prophets prayer described.  I wanted to know how to understand it.
The information given in the book does not specify whether some actions are fard, wajib or recommended etc.  Does it mean that they all are?  Or are there any other supplementary texts that can be read in conjunction with it to find out this information?  
Can anyone recommend any other books that outline how to perfect prayer?
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umm eeasa

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07-10-2003 @ 10:41 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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wa-alaykum-salaam,
  The book "The Selected Pearls in Understanding the Conditions, Oligations and Pillars of the Prayer" by Shaikh Abu Abdir-Rahman Fawzee Al-Atharee, published by Al-Athariyyah & Salafi Publications and translated by our brother Hasan Somaalee is very beneficial.
See the salafibookstore at http://www.salafibookstore.com/sbs/
Was-salaam
Abu Hamza Ya'qub Gungadoo

Al.Khattakiy
07-10-2003 @ 11:37 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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Salaam alaikum,

this is the direct link to the page which the book is on:

http://www.salafibookstore.com/sbs/index.cfm?scn=books&ProductID=B456&do=detail&book=

Wassalaamu Alaikum

Aboo Ubayd Taariq Khaan Al-Khattakiy

Jafar.Rich
07-10-2003 @ 11:56 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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Bismillaahir-rahmaanir-raheem

Also, the abridged version of the book "The Abridgement of the Prophet's Prayer Described" (see http://www.salafibookstore.com/sbs/index.cfm?scn=books&ProductID=B341&do=detail&book= ) mentions clearly what are the pillars and obligations. Here is an except from the author's intoduction which is quoted from the above link.
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"...Alongside each issue I quoted the ruling: whether it is a pillar (rukn) or an obligation (waajib). As for those matters about which I remained silent and did not mention a ruling, then they are from the Sunnah, and some of them carry the possibility of being declared obligatory?however stating one or the other with certainty would conflict with what is befitting from scholarly research ...".



al-hamdu lillaahi rabbi-l 'aalameen

Ja'far ibn Richard Railton

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assalamu 'alaikum

one of the students of knowledge in Jeddah has gone through Sheikh al Albaani's book mashaallaah and categorised the different parts of the prayer into arkaan, shuroot and wajibaat, pillars, conditions and obligations in the prayer. It is in Arabic. good research mashaallaah.
it might be out in the future, otherwise see sheikh Muhammad Abdulwahhab's (rahimahullaah) categorisation or sheikh Bin Baz's rahimahullaah or Sheikh Faozi's which is in english, too.


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07-11-2003 @ 11:13 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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Asalamu aleykum
Jazakallahu khairun for your efforts in replying and may Allah reward you for them.
I have just one other thing...
What is the best way to study perfecting the prayer, i.e. should I take one area first, e.g. what is obligatory, and work on that or are there any other way?
Can anyone offer any advise.
I would appreciate it.
wasalam


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Asalamu aleykum
I wanted a little clarification on a hadith.  In the shaykhs book, p.54 new version and 55 or 56 old version under the heading 'The Sajdah described' there is a reference to how the arms and hands are placed during sujood.
It reads:
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"He would not rest his fore-arms on the ground"- Bukhari and Abu Dawood...
contd ' but "would raise them above the ground, and keep them away from his sides such that the whiteness of his armpits could be seen from behind"- Bukhari and Muslim...
contd 'and also such that is a small lamb or kid wanted to pass under his arms, it would have been able to do so"- Muslim, Abu 'Awaanah and Ibn Hibbaan.'
END OF TEXT

What I needed to know was does this mean literally that a man can wear clothes where his arms are not covered to show his under arms?  Does this hadith mean that the under arms were uncovered during prayer and so could be seen or does it mean that if they were uncovered they could be seen?  
Either way what is the dress code for brothers when praying? Is it different to when a man wears Ihraam on Umrah or Hajj where the under arms would be uncovered?

Jazakallahu khayr
wasalamu aleykum
umm eeasa

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What I needed to know was does this mean literally that a man can wear clothes where his arms are not covered to show his under arms?

*** The ridaa' (and similar upper garments) was commonly worn by the Prophet (sallallaah 'alayhe wa sallam) (as is clear in Mukhtasir Ash-Shamaa'il of Al-Albaanee) and the Companions outside of Hajj.  It is like the upper garment of the two piece ihraam that you have seen.  When wearing this, a man's armpits can be seen from behind easily when he spreads his arms apart for sajdah.  Covering the shoulder for prayer (for the men) is obligatory due to the order of the Messenger (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam), and this is accomplished when wearing the ridaa'.  The Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) furthermore was known to wear a ridaa' specifically for the istisqaa' (seeking rain) prayer, and he would take one tail of it and switch it to the other side.  In the narrations about this salaah, there is mention as well that the whiteness of his udnerarms could be seen since his hands were raised in du'aa', for example:

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On the authority of Anas, the Prophet of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) used to not raise his hands in any of his supplications except in istisqaa', (he would raise them) until the whiteness of his underarms could be seen.


Saheeh Muslim #2072 ***



Does this hadith mean that the under arms were uncovered during prayer and so could be seen or does it mean that if they were uncovered they could be seen?


*** This second possibility - that it does not mean that his underarms were actually exposed, rather it means that you could have seen the whiteness of his underarms had they been exposed - was mentioned by Al-Qurtubee and quoted by Ibn Hajr in Fat-hul-baaree (2/358, Daar Al-Hadeeth, Cairo, 1st printing, 1419).  It may sound far off linguistically and much like ta'weel (except it is not in the subject of Asmaa' was-Sifaat), however it is supported by a narration found in Ibn Maajah (3604), and it has been authenticated by Al-Albaanee:
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"On the authority of Aboo Hurayrah, he said that the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) said, "There is no servant who raises his hands until his underarms appear, asking Allaah for something, except that Allaah gives it to him, so long as he doesn't become hasty."



So the meaning of the hadeeth is that a person raises his arms up high and spreads them out, not that he actually has to expose the flesh of his underarms.

Allaah knows best about this opinion.  With the hadeeth of istisqaa' mentioned above, it seems quite easy to understand that the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) was most likely wearing a ridaa' and his underarms were actually seen.  Furthermore, there is no mention in this hadeeth about the whiteness of the servants underarms being seen, only his udnerarms, as opposed to the specific mention of the whiteness of the Prophet's underarms in the narration in question, and Allaah knows best. ***


Either way what is the dress code for brothers when praying? Is it different to when a man wears Ihraam on Umrah or Hajj where the under arms would be uncovered?

*** The man's 'awrah must be covered, and his 'awrah is from his navel to his knees (while there is some differing about the lower part of the thigh), and the shoulders must be covered as well.  However, the shoulders are not considered 'awrah, so if a man prays without covering his shoulders, then he is sinful for doing that knowingly, and his salaah is acceptable.  However the one who does not cover his 'awrah (and he is able to), then his salaah is null and void, as covering the 'awrah is from the conditions for the acceptibility of a person's prayer, wallaahul-Muwaffiq. ***

Moosaa Richardson

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This message was edited by Moosaa on 8-26-03 @ 1:30 AM

Umm.Eeasa.Beg
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Asalamu aleykum a rahmatullah
Jazakallahu khairun for your speedy and informative response brother.  
There is just one problem with mu understanding.  Its starts with information about a 'ridaa.  What is a 'ridaa?  Ive never heard of it before.  Is it the same as a thobe and if not why do brothers wear thobes and not a 'ridaa?
Waleykum asalam wa rahmatullah
umm eeasa

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Asalamu aleykum wa rahmatullah
I have some more questions about the prayer.
InshaAllah.

ONCE AGAIN I have the new version so add a few page numbers to the page numbers that Ive written and that should be the number in the old version. InshaAllah.  Note I have not added the ahadith as I have raised many points.

1) P.4 There is a hadith that talks of the prophet sallaalahu aleyhi waslam telling those who prayed behind him to sit when he did (when he lead the prayer).  Does this mean that if an imaam needs to sit and pray, the whole congregation must?  If this is so what happens to the reward of those in congregation?  Is it half of those who pray standing even though they were able to do so?

2) P.5 Where the prophet sallalahu aleyhi wasalam  prayed through the night (in the night prayer) in the sitting position- in what context is this?  Is it because he was ill or is it should one pray sitting at times and standing at other times?  Also again what is the reward of the one who prays sitting in the night prayer?

3) P.6. If the prophet sallalahu aleyhi wasalam ordered people to pray ijn their shoes and without- why do we always pray with them off- especially in a masjid?

4) P.7. With regards to the pulpit- did the prophet sallalahu aleyhi wasalam literally come down off the pulpit and do sujood and then return to it?  Did he come down and do sujood in congregation?  Is this what normally happens in a masjid- sisters obviously do not see the brothers side so I have no idea.

5) P.7. The sutrah.  In the masjid what is the sutrah- in other words, where is it placed and what would it be- in the home what is the sutrah?  If when in a masjid a person walks in front of you (even if you have a bag or something in front of you to take the form of a sutrah)- should you rush to block them, and is it permissible to do this during the prayer?  What about children as they often do this when their mothers are praying?

6) P.48  Where are the hands to be placed upon straightening from Rukoo?  After Takbeer after supplication in rukoo and going back to standing position, the hands are raised.  Then we supplicate some more before we go into sujood- in this time frame- where are the hands?  Are they on the chest?  Before going into sujood there is another takbeer- do we raise our hands again?
I havent been able to find anything in the book.  WaAllahu Alim.  Either way what was the common practise of the salaf at this point of the prayer?

I would appreciate help, advice etc with any of these points.  InshaAllah may Allah make the answers of benefit to us all and I apologise for prolonging the discussion of this book time and again.  

Jazakallahu khairun to the respondents of my questions of this book.

wasalamu aleykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakathu.
umm eeasa.








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