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Topic: What can I say about the Proof´s from the Book and the Sunnah...
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 ilyas.abu.ameenah
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As selam aleykum,
What happened:
I speak with some brothers about how we (the Salafi´s) deal with the Ahlu-Bidah and the Mubtadi´in. And what the Manhaj is about this issue. I named them some names from the Tabi´in. Like Sufyan ath-Tahwri. And Ahmed ibn Hanbal, and Imaam Barbahaari.
But there response was only to me:
Akhi you speak, speak, speak, but you don´t give one proof from the Book or from the Sunnah. That what you bring isn´t a Hujjah for us. For us is only Hujjah what come from the Book, from thé Sunnah, or from the Ijma from the Sahaba.
So can anybody help me in this?
Another thing was taking the news from a thiqqah. They say to me that this is Taqleed. And they give me as a answer that Ibn Qayyim wrote a Book about that. And they say to me: What is the difference between a Hanafi Muslim who takes from his Imaam from the Masjid that you are Wahhabis, and you who said that you take from the Salafi Scholars that for example Adnann A´roor is a Mubtadi. The Hanafi Muslim thing that his Imaam is thiqqah and take his news.
You say it also. So what uis the difference between you and this Hanafi Muslim?
Barakallahu Fiqhum
As selam aleykum
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| hasan336
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Alhamdulillaah was salaatu was salaamu 'ala Rasoolilaah
Was salaam 'alaykum wa Rahmatullaah,
The books by our salaf and those books containing their sayings are full of proofs from the Qur'an and the Sunnah and the ijmaa of the Sahabah.
Here is one proof from the Qur'an. "You (O Muhammad (sallallaahu 'alayhi was sallam)) will not find any people who believe in Allaah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allaah and His Messenger (Muhammad (sallallaahu 'alayhi was sallam)), even though they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred (people). (Al-Mujadilah 58:22)
And then there is the ayat of helping each other in al-birr and at-taqwa.
And there is the hadeeth of "The deen is Naseehah".
And you can relate the story of Ka'b ibn Malik and his companions (radi'Allaahu anhum) from the Qur'an and the Sunnah.
As far as the news of the thiqah, then the ayah from Al-Hujurat is more than enough for them by itself: "O you who Believe, if a rebellious, evil person comes to you with news then verify it...." (Al-Hujurat 49:6) So Allaah demolishes their argument; either they have to say these men are known and trustworthy or they are unknown, fasiq, etc.
The problem is that the people who follow their desires, then hujjah is not a hujjah for them, unless it agrees with their hawa', wa Allaahu alim.
Salaam 'alaykum wa Rahmatullaah,
Abu Muhammad Hasan Grooms
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| hasan336
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Salaam 'alaykum wa Rahmatullaah,
You wrote:
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And they say to me: What is the difference between a Hanafi Muslim who takes from his Imaam from the Masjid that you are Wahhabis, and you who said that you take from the Salafi Scholars that for example Adnann A´roor is a Mubtadi.
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The main difference would have to be proof, proof is always the difference between a person saying whatever he likes and the person saying the truth and calling to the truth.
Here are some resources (proofs) that should help you akhi. Perhaps you could print them out for the brothers so that it could be a means of extinguishing their shubahaat, inshaa'Allaah.
'The Methodology of Ahl-us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah in Warning Against Innovators and Their Books': http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/sp.cfm?subsecID=BDH05&articleID=BDH050002&articlePages=1
And on the reality of Taqleed:
Question:
And shaykh, we also have this famous Da'ee who says that we blindly follow Shaykh Rabee' in his statements and as though the one who does not agree with him, then he is not Salafee.
Answer:
(The Shayk Faalih al Harbee responded): The Salafis do not blindly follow each other, unless if this following is upon the truth, because it is not prevented in totality, for a person who is a scholar, and someone follows him upon this knowledge, he worships upon that which he knows from the Shar'eeah, it is not permissible for him to hide that and Allaah says: Verily those who conceal the clear proofs, evidences and the guidance, which We have sent down, after We have made clear for the people in the Book, they are the ones cursed by Allaah and cursed by the cursers. (Suratul-Baqarah: 159) and the Messenger speaks about the one who has knowledge but he hides it. So they return to the scholars and they ask them and this is not blind following but it is following (with proofs and evidences) and this is what is mandatory upon them. Allaah says: Allaah puts no burden on any person beyond what he has given him (Suratut-Talaaq: 7) The one who is not a scholar, he is like a blind man, he is in need of one who guides him, and the scholar is the guide, so if he returns to the scholar, then who says this is Taqleed (blind following) and it is not permissible, because this is following, Allaah ordered with it, of that which is in the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger (sallallaahu 'alayhi was sallam). And the Salafiyoon do not follow someone except with Daleel (evidence), except that if he is not a scholar and the other is a scholar. No one says this except the one who is grieved from amongst the people of politics, Hizbiyeen, and Ahlul-Bid'ah. As for Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jamaah then this type of speech is imposed. For this is from Tashweeh (mutilation), of the actual affair, Talbees (trickery) upon the people of truth.
Taken from: [url=http://www.therighteouspath.com/fromthescholars/harbee_advice1.pdf]http://www.therighteouspath.com/fromthescholars/harbee_advice1.pdf[/url]
Also refer to this article 'Imaam Muqbil on Jarh, Accepting News, Warning from the Hizbees, and the Issue of Taqleed': [url=http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/sp.cfm?subsecID=MNJ15&articleID=MNJ150007&articlePages=1]http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/sp.cfm?subsecID=MNJ15&articleID=MNJ150007&articlePages=1[/url]
And also: 'When Is Ijtihad or Taqlid Binding?': [url=http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/sp.cfm?subsecID=MNJ06&articleID=MNJ060004&articlePages=1]http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/sp.cfm?subsecID=MNJ06&articleID=MNJ060004&articlePages=1[/url]
Was salaam 'alaykum,
Abu Muhammad Hasan Grooms
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