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18-09-2004 @ 5:28 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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May Allaah reward the Muslims who heed the advice of their kibaar, and increase them in goodness!

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Al-Haafidh Ibn Hajr says in An-Nukhbah (pg 135): ?The narration of the anonymous (mubham) is not accepted if he is not named; because the condition of the acceptance of a report is the trustworthiness of the narrator, and whoevers? name is left anonymous his identity is not known, so how could this be trustworthiness?!

As-Suyutee mentioned in Tadreeb Ar-Raawee (1/365): ?If he says a trustworthy person narrated to me, or like this, it is not sufficient for Ta?deel (attestation of trustworthiness) until he identifies him, because even if he is trustworthy with him perhaps if he named him he would be from those that others had mentioned with dispraise, rather his avoiding identifying him is something that places suspicion in the heart.?

As-Sakhaawee said in Fathul-Mugheeth (2/34-35): ??because it doesn?t necessitate from his Ta?deel that he is like this with others and perhaps if he identified him he would be known for other than it, and perhaps he is alone in his Tawtheeq (attestation of trustworthiness) as happened with Ash-Shaaf?ee with Ibraaheem ibn Abee Yahya, An-Nawawee said: ?No one besides him attested to his trustworthiness and he is considered weak by the consensus of the scholars, rather  his avoiding identifying him is something that places suspicion in the heart.? Ibn Abid-Dam said: ?And this is taken from the eye witness if he testifies to a second party, then he (the second party) must name him (the eye witness) to the judge by the agreement of Ash-Shaafi?ee and his companions, so if the second party says: ?The eye witness related it to me, and I testify to his truthfulness that he witnessed such and such,? it is not to be listened to on the strength of that until he identifies him to the judge, then if the judge knows of the trustworthiness of the eye witness then he can rule according to his testimony and if he doesn?t know of it he looks into it.?

Al-Alaammah Haafidh Al-Hakamee states in as-Su?aal wal-Jawaab fee Mustalahil-Hadeeth (pg. 136-137): ?Third: To epitomize the name of the one he is reporting on, like his statement: ?So and so related to me, or a person, or someone, or the son of so and so?the report of the anonymous is not accepted if he is not named, because the condition of the acceptance of the report is the trustworthiness of the narrator, and whoever?s name is left anoymous his identity is not known so how could his trustworthiness be?! And like this his reports are not accepted even if he is mentioned with a word of praise, in what is correct, like his saying about the one who narrated to him: ?A trustworthy person reported to me, because he may be trustworthy with him, untrustworthy with others.?

Allah states: ?O you who believe! If a faasiq comes to you with news verify it, lest you should harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done.?

Al-Imaam Al-Qurtubee mentions in his commentary of this verse (16/265): ?Sixth: In this verse is a proof of the futility of the statement of those who say that all of the Muslims are trustworthy until their untrustworthiness is established, because Allah commands with verification [of reports] before their acceptance, and verification is meaningless after giving a ruling, so if a judge rules upon the accused before verification [of a report] than he has harmed him in ignorance.?

One of the reasons that the scholars of hadeeth used to criticize a person was for relating from unknown narrators. An example of this is what Abu Zur?ah Ar-Raazee said about Ahmad ibn Saalih Al-Makkee: ?Truthful but he narrates from the weak and the unknown.?

Al-Hakam ibn Esa ibn Musa said: ?He was the Imaam of his period, truthful within himself, a hujjah (proof) in Al-Jaami? As-Saheeh except that when he related on unknown narrators the errors in his hadeeths were abundant??

أهل الحديث هم أهل النبي وإن
لم يصحبوا نفسه أنفاسه صحبوا

Abul-Hasan Malik Adam Al-Akhdar

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27-03-2003 @ 12:00 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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I forgot to post the link to the thread by Shaykh 'Ubayd on sahab:

And this is the main thread that shows how the administration of Sahab is implementing the shaykh's advice:

May Allaah reward them with goodness.

Moosaa Richardson

سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك
أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت
أستغفرك وأتوب إليك

This message was edited by Moosaa on 3-27-03 @ 4:30 AM

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Also, the advice was well-received by the administration of, as our brother Aboo 'Abdillaah Khaalid Ath-Thufayree (may Allaah preserve him), the administrator, has requested all members to include their full real name in their signatures, and they are doing so, may Allaah reward them.  My wish is that we could follow them and Shaykh 'Ubayd in this and bring about the same benefits for ourselves here on salafitalk.

This request does not mean that whoever had been using a screen name or a nickname that he was doing so in a corrupt way, but it is just to make ourselves and our da'wah clear and pure as Shaykh 'Ubayd says, and to shut potential doors of fitnah.  May Allaah reward you.

Abul-'Abbaas Moosaa
ibn John Richardson

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أستغفرك وأتوب إليك

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[translation provided below]

دعــــــوة واقـتــــــراح مـــــن عبـيـــــد بـــن عـبــدالله الـجــــابــــــري
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

الحمد لله رب العالمين ولا عدوان إلا على الظالمين وأشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وحده لا شريك له الحق المبين وأن محمداً عبده ورسوله بلغ البلاغ المبين صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وصحبه وسلم .

أما بعد :

فإني تأملت ما جرى في الفتنة الأخيرة وما ترتب عليها من آثار ونتائج ظهرت على شبابنا وإخواننا المتمسكين بمنهج السلف الصالح ، رأيت كثرة القيل والقال لمن هم قليلي البضاعة في العلم والمعرفة بدين الله وشرعه وما عليه سلف الأمة سبباً في وقود هذه الفتنة وتأججها ؛ وبخاصة أن أغلب هذه المشاكل تعود إلى شبكة الانترنت وما يقال ويكتب فيها ممن أشير إليهم بالوصف .

وأهم أسباب ذلك هو : التستر خلف أسماء وألقاب وكنى تخفي حقيقة الشخص .

فحسماً لمادة هذه المشكلة التي تزداد يوماً بعد يوم وتنداح وتكبر دائرتها فإني أدعو إخواني الصادقين في تطبيق حديث رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : [ من كان يؤمن بالله واليوم الآخر فليقل خيراً أو ليصمت ] وكما قال ابن سيرين ـ رحمه الله تعالى ـ : [ إن العلم دين فانظروا عن من تأخذون دينكم ] وذلك بإظهار الاسم الحقيقي لمن يريد المشاركة والكتابة في هذه المنتديات وبخاصة منتدى سحاب السلفي مشاركة منا جميعاً في التقليل من تفاقم المشاكل وكثرة القيل والقال ، ومن خلال نظرة أولية تظهر لنا فوائد المشاركة بالاسم الحقيقي كما يلي :

1) ـ التريث والتمهل والتفكير العميق قبل كتابة المقالة ونشرها .

2) ـ معرفة درجة الكاتب العلمية والمنهجية .

3) ـ عدم الجرأة والإقدام على نشر أي شيء قبل التثبت والعرض على أهل العلم .

4) ـ إدراك العواقب والتبعات عند الكتابة بالاسم الحقيقي .

5) ـ التقليل من كثرة الكتابة والنشر .

6) ـ حصر الكتابة والتوجيه لأهل العلم وطلابه وعدم السماح لمن هب ودب ودرج .

7) ـ إبراز أهل العلم ومكانتهم الحقيقية وأحقيتهم وأهليتهم في التوجيه والتعليم والنقد .

8) ـ إظهار المنهج السلفي في صورته الجميلة وشكله المتكامل من خلال معرفة الرجال وأحوالهم وأشخاصهم .

9) ـ استنزال الأحكام الشرعية في حق المخالفين والمعاندين والمبطلين والقدرة على التثبت والاستيثاق في حال معرفة أعيان الأشخاص ، وزواله واضمحلاله في حالة الجهالة والإبهام والإيهام .

10) ـ توقع زيادة المقالات العلمية والمنهجية المفيدة وقلة المقالات الفارغة والضعيفة .

11) ـ الترفع عن طرائق الحزبيين وأهل الحركات والتجمعات السرية، ومخالفتهم في التخفي والتستر خلف الألقاب والكنى إذ أبرز صفاتهم وسماتهم .

12) ـ إظهار الوضوح والمصداقية اللذين هما من أبرز صفات المنهج السلفي من خلال إظهار الإسم الحقيقي .

وغير ذلك من الفوائد والنتائج والثمار التي نجنيها من خلال إظهار الإسم الحقيقي ؛ فنرجوا أن نكون أول من يسن هذه السنة الحسنة في شبكة الانترنت ونتحصل على أجرها وأجر من يعمل بها .

وأعود مرة أخرى وأدعو شبابنا السلفي الحريص ـ على نشر الخير ودفع الشر والتقليل منه وسد منافذه ومسالكه ـ أن يستجب لهذه الدعوة وهذا الاقتراح ، وأن ينظر بعين العقل ـ المستند على الشرع المطهر الجالب لجميع المصالح والدافع لجميع المفاسد ـ إلى هذا الاقتراح الذي يميزه ويميز دعوته ويظهر صدقه وصفاء طويته وسلامة منهجه وحسن مقصده .

ونرجو من الإخوة القائمين على شبكة سحاب أن يسهموا معنا في إيصال هذه الدعوة وهذا الاقتراح؛ وذلك بتثبيت المقال أعلى الصفحة ولمدة كافية يطلع عليها الشباب أو جلهم، وفتح باب التسجيل بالاسم الحقيقي وتغيير الكنى والألقاب .

وصلى الله وسلم على نبينا محمد وعلى آله وصحبه وسلم تسليماً كثيراً إلى يوم الدين والحمد لله رب العالمين .

عبيد بن عبدالله بن سليمان الجابري
المدرس بالجامعة الإسلامية سابقاً
يوم السبت الحادي والعشرين من شهر رجب لعام ثلاثة وعشرين وأربعمائة وألف من الهجرة النبوية


An Invitation and a Recommendation
From ?Ubayd ibn ?Abdillaah Al-Jaabiree

All praise is due to Allaah, the Lord of all that exists.  There is no animosity except for the oppressors.  I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, who is alone without partners, and He is Al-Haqq Al-Mubeen.  And I further bear witness that Muhammad is His Servant and Messenger.  May Allaah make high mention of him and his family and companions, and grant them security.

To proceed:

Verily I have reflected over what has taken place in the latest fitnah and the results and outcomes that have appeared amongst our youth and amongst our brothers who are holding to the manhaj of As-Salaf As-Saalih.  I believe that the great amount of al-qeel wal-qaal (gossip) coming from those who do not have much knowledge or awareness of Allaah?s Deen, His Legislation, or what the Salaf were upon is a reason for the kindling of this fitnah and for the spreading of its flames, especially since the majority of these problems can be traced back to the Internet and what is said and written on it, from those whose description I have referred to.

And from the most important causes (of fitnah) is the act of hiding behind (false) names, titles, or kunyahs that hide the identity of a person.

So in an effort to resolve this problem that grows, gains momentum, and spreads day by day, verily I call on my truthful brothers to apply the hadeeth of the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ?alayhe wa sallam): ?Whoever believes in Allaah and the Last Day, then let him speak good or keep silent.?  And as Ibn Seereen (may Allaah have Mercy on him) said, ?Verily knowledge is Deen, so look to whom you take your Deen from.?  And this is done by making known one?s real name, for whoever wants to take part in and write in these forums, especially the Sahab Salafee forum, let him take part with us in cutting short the growth of these problems and this gossip.

After looking into the benefits of posting with one?s real name, the following things come to mind at first glance:

1. One will take his time, contemplate, and think deeply before posting.

2. We will know the level of the writer?s knowledge and manhaj.

3. There will be no hastiness or unnecessary rush in spreading things before confirming them and referring them to the people of knowledge.

4. Writing under one?s real name will bring about a sense of responsibility and accountability for what is being written.

5. It will reduce excessive writing and spreading (of things devoid of benefit)

6. It will restrict the writing and the offering of advice to the people of knowledge and their students, and not just every Tom, Dick, and Harry will post.

7. It will put forth the people of knowledge and make clear their true position and their true right and authority with regards to guidance, education, and criticism.

8. It will allow the Salafee manhaj to be seen in its beautiful form and complete shape, by way of knowing the narrators and their situations and personalities.

9. We will be able to apply the Sharee?ah ruling on the opposing ones, those who stubbornly resist (the correct path), and the liars.  We will be able to confirm and verify reports if we know the individuals, but this ability will vanish or dwindle so long as we do not know them, or they are anonymous.

10. There will be an increase in beneficial posts with knowledge, clarifying the manhaj, and weak posts or those devoid of benefit will decrease.

11. We will nobly remove ourselves from the ways of the biased partisans and people of secret movements and organizations, and we will oppose their stealth and hiding behind nicknames or kunyahs when their attributes and poisons become known.

12. We will spread clarity and mutual truthfulness, two attributes that are from the foremost attributes of the Salafee manhaj.

There are other benefits and good results and outcomes that we hope to gain by the open display of people?s real names.  So I hope that we will be the first ones to implement this good way on the Internet, so that we will gain reward for it, and for all those who follow us it.

So I repeat once more, I call upon our concerned Salafee youth, those dedicated to spreading good and repelling evil and reducing it and shutting its doors and avenues, I call on them to respond positively to this request and this suggestion.  And I call on them to look into this suggestion with their intellects based upon the pure legislation that seeks to benefit from all forms of goodness and seeks to repel all evil.  They will find that it will make them and their da?wah distinct, expose its truthfulness and inner purity, and the security of the manhaj of their da?wah and its good intention as well.

And I hope that the brothers responsible for will join with us in conveying this invitation and this suggestion, keeping this post at the top of the page long enough for all or most of the youth to read it.  And I hope that they will open the way for people to register with their real names and to change their kunyahs and nicknames.

And may Allaah?s Salaah and a great amount of Salaam be upon our Prophet Muhammad, and upon his family and companions until the Day of Judgement, and all praise is due to Allaah, Lord of all that exists.

Written by: ?Ubayd ibn ?Abdillaah ibn Sulaymaan Al-Jaabiree
Former professor at the Islaamic University of Al-Madeenah

[translation by Moosaa Richardson]

سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك
أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت
أستغفرك وأتوب إليك

This message was edited by Moosaa on 3-27-03 @ 4:10 AM

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