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Topic: Question regarding a 'Wali'(for marriage meeting)
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 umm_khadijah
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Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,
There is a sister i know who has started to speak to a brother about marriage,they want to meet but she has been told by someone that her wali must be someone who is practicing,she has 3 brothers and they are not practicing,and she hasnt realy got anyone else who could be her wali from her family.Can anyone tell me if this is correct(that her wali has to be practicing),and if it is what advice would u give her,is there anyone else who could act as her wali outside of her family?
Jazak Allah hu khairan.
Assalamu Alaykum wa rahmatullah.
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| ummsaad
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as-salamu alaikum ukhti umm khadijah,
Aa'isha reported that Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihi was-salam)said' " A marriage contract is not valid without a wali, and the Islamic authority is the wali of the one who does not have a wali." If it's possible, the brother who is interested in marriage to the sister could go pray in the salafi masjid closest to him and try to find the imam to help him out with advice and guidance, insha Allah.
In my area, there is no salafi masjid. When a sister got divorced and was looking for a husband, she got the most knowlegable brother in the community known to her at the time to find a suitable husband for her. She was an Arab from a muslim family, but her own brothers did not help her out, or she did not want them to, Allahu alam. She did not speak directly to the men as far as I am aware, but she went through the brother's wife.
So, insaha Allah you can find someone in your community to help you out. I will make dua, insha Allah
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| abdulilah
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Inshaallaah i will print this question and give it to Sheikh al Banna to answer but i would like to clarify the question first, Does this sister not have Muslim parents or family?? Since i need to mention this to the sheikh before he answers it inshaallaah
Sheikh Rabee', the Imaam of Jarh wa Ta'deel, Sadaqa Al Albaani rahimahullah
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| abdulilah
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As for posting things from Yahyah Ibrahim then i do not advise anyone does that, i have advised him personally a year ago to take back his errors and not to mix and cooperate with KBW mosque who are known hizbees and the proof is available Their members Basheer and Afraaz brought in Adnan Urur to their mosque and until today have not recanted from this openly and have tried to be the reference point for the salafees of North America rather than have the people turning to the scholars. Yahyah has continued to cooperate with them and he said after his june exams he will address the issue (we are still waiting for this).
We are still waiting for him to stop cooperating with KBW and openly free himself from them, He has not done so... unfortunately there are still some people who have more love for the personallity than the HAQ. Go to TROID.org there is sufficient proof documented by our salafee brothers there, yes they are few but the jamaa'aah is what is upon the haq even if you be on your own. They have stuck to the Ulamaa and thereby they are not alone they have the ULAMAA with them too.
Marhaban bi ikhwaaninaa fi troid
Sheikh Rabee', the Imaam of Jarh wa Ta'deel, Sadaqa Al Albaani rahimahullah
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| umm_khadijah
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asslamau alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,
Jazak Allah hu khairan for the replies.In answer to the brothers question,the sister's father is not alive,but like i said she has 3 brothers but none of them are practising.She has actually told me today that she could probably have her uncle to be her 'wali',if it is written by Allah for the marriage to go ahead.But can u please find out if it would be permissable for one of her brothers to be there when she has the first meeting with this brother insha Allah,as her uncle lives quite far,and they havent decided anything yet.Jazak Allah hu khairan.
Assalamu Alaykum wa rahmatullah.
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| ummsaad
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as-salamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu,
JazakAllahu khairan for the naseehah. I learned a lot from your post. I don't take it as a criticism, and I am very grateful for the time and energy you spent in advising.
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| umm.alhaarith
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Assalamu Alaikum
First of all I am not a Shaykha.......My intention in posting this is to try to bring some clarification to an issue that I believe may have been misunderstood.
There was a similar question asked of one of the Jordanian Mashaykh a few years back and the question was concerning the permissibiality of the muslim girl who has non practicing muslim parents, choosing a wakeel from other than them in order to be married. The reasoning being that the non practicing muslim parent would not be seeking a brother that was deenwise sound, rather that they would seek a brother that was economically sound.
The reply to this query was basially that the walee for the muslim girl , if she has muslim parents *regardless if they practice or not* would always be her muslim parents.
In the case of your friend...I am sure that you can draw your own conclusions from the example above but to my understanding the walee of the muslim woman wil always be her muslim parents/brother/uncle etc. I am not sure what the order of preference is. Allahu Alim. The advise I would give to this muslim girl would be to leave off talking with this brother until the issue of waliship is sorted out.
The Messenger of Allah(Sallalahu Alayhi Wa Selem) said that there is no man and woman alone but that Shaytaan is the third...so basically I would advise you to advise your friend to leave off speaking with this brother until the walee situation is clarified for her.(My comments are merely that and you should seek secure clarification from one more ilmee )
Wa Salaamu Alaikum
Umm Alhmay
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| abdulilah
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As promised, Sheikh al Banna yesterday answered the question above, that if the sister's father has died rahimahullaah then it is upon her eldest brother to be her wali even if he is not practising so long as he is a Muslim then it is his right to be the wali.
As Allaah says, (the meaning of translation being): "Ask those who know if you do not know"
Please do not give your own opinions to questions that could harm the individual and society. This is a serious matter that should be referred to the Ulamaa. A lot of problems occur in society because they are not referred to the Ulamaa. Allaahu Musta'aan.
Sheikh Rabee', the Imaam of Jarh wa Ta'deel, Sadaqa Al Albaani rahimahullah
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| umm.alhaarith
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Assalamu Alaikum
Alhamdulillah ..you got your question answered.
Just for clarification...my response was tentative at worst...The matter of who is walee to a muslim woman with muslim relatives(practicing and non praticing) is relatively well known to my understanding.
Maybe if we really do know the answer to a questions such as who is walee for a muslim woman with muslim relatives or others that are simple..we should give the answers accordingly and use the Ulema for thise sticky questions that we really need them for? Just a thought.
It would be nice if someone would post the answer in entirety in order to benefit those that do not have access to Paltalk.
Jzakum Allahu Khair
Wsalaamu ALaikum
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| Moosaa
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Excuse me but maybe I'm misuderstanding something here...
What in the world is a "non-practicing Muslim"?
I think this needs defined.
And what does "Allaah's words were deleted" mean?
May Allaah reward those who clarify.
Moosaa
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سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك
أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت
أستغفرك وأتوب إليك
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