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Topic: Intoxicants and the like
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Abu Mariam Hashim ibn Ya'qub
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Bismillaah
Assallaamu alaikum
If any of my brothers or sisters were to do a search on the net on cigarrettes you would find inshaAllaah that there are upto 600 ingredients in a cigarretteand that also upto 4000 chemicals are omitted from a single cigarrette.
Of these ingredients one would find the likes of Alcohol, Aluminium (which is linked to Alzheimers disease), Ammonia and other such ingredients. However one would also find inshaAllaah that the ingredients list would also include things such as, honey, cocoa, lemongrass and so on.
The debate on why these ingredients are used is well known, that these 'sweeter' ingredients are used to entice the younger generations into smoking. This is done by the taste being left in the mouth being favourable wAllaahu a'lam.
Also if one was to look at the cigarrettes that are smoked in the western world compared to the likes of the Middle East, Asia in general as well as Africa then one would find that the levels of Tar and Nicotine are far higher in the 'developing' world than in the 'developed' world. wAllaahu a'lam.
I hope that this information can be of use to my brothers and sisters in combatting this evil which many Muslims look upon as not being Haraam but being Makrooh. These same muslims will not eat or drink things that have any mention or possible mention of animal ingredients e.g, E471, mono-di-glycerides of fatty acids (probably spelt wrong) gelatine and the likes yet are happy to smoke these filthy cigarrettes.
refer to the link below:
http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=10&Topic=3488
May Allaah aid the Muslims in this struggle of ours. Ameen.
wassallaamu alaikum
Abu Mariam Hashim al-Gujee
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Abu Yaqoob Muhammad Jahangir ibn Ramadhaan
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salaam alaykum
what is the arabic word for intoxicant?
what is the arabic and shariah definition of intoxicant? this answer requires the specification or reason to classify something as an intoxicant.
there are some people who will go out and say "Alcahol is an intoxicant and ciggerettes are not due to alcahol befogs the mind."
from sahih al muslim
Book 23, Number 4888:
Anas b. Malik is reported to have said that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had forbidden to mixture fresh dates and unripe dates and then drinking (the wine prepared out of it), and that was their common intoxicant when liquor was prohibited.
Book 23, Number 4890:
Anas b. Malik reported : Allah revealed the verse in which Allah prohibited the use of liquor. In those days no other liquor was drunk but that prepared from dates.
Book 23, Number 4892:
Wa'il al-Hadrami reported that Tariq b. Suwaid a-Ju'fi asked Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) about liquor. He forbade (its use) and he expressed hatred that it should be prepared. He (Tariq) said: I prepare it as a medicine, whereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: It is no medicine, but an ailment.
Book 23, Number 4952:
'Abdullah b. Buraida, on the authority of his father, reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I had forbidden you from the preparation of Nabidh except in a waterskin. But now you may drink in all vessels, but do not drink what is intoxicant.
Book 23, Number 4953:
Ibn Buraida, on the authority of his father, reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I had forbidden you (from the preparation of Nabidh) and drinking it in certain vessels, (but now you may do so if you like) for it is not vessels or a vessel that makes a thing lawful or unlawful. It is every intoxicant that is unlawful.
Book 23, Number 4954:
Ibn Buraida, on the authority of his father, reported Allah's Messenger (may Peace be upon him) as saying: I had forbidden you from the drinking (and preparation of) Nabidh in the vessels made out of leather, but (now) you may drink in all vessels, but you do not drink an intoxicant.
Book 23, Number 4956:
'A'isha reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was asked about Bit, whereupon he said: Every drink that causes intoxication is forbidden.
Book 23, Number 4957:
'A'isha reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was asked about it, whereupon he said that everything that causes intoxication is forbidden.
Book 23, Number 4958:
This hadith has been reported on the authority of Zuhri with this chain of transmitters but in the hadith transmitted on the authority of Sufyan and Salih (these words are not found) "she was asked about Bit". (These words are found in the hadith) transmitted on the authority of Ma'mar and in the hadith transmitted on the authority of Salih (only these words are found) that she (Hadrat 'A'isha) had heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) say: Every intoxicating drink is forbidden.
Book 23, Number 4959:
Abu Musa reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) sent me and Mu'adh b. Jabal to Yemen. I said: Allah's Messenger, there is prepared in our land a wine out of barley which is known as Mizr (beer of our times) and a wine from honey which is known as Bit, (are these also forbidden?), whereupon he said: Every intoxicant is forbidden.
Book 23, Number 4960:
Abu Burda reported on the authority of his grandfather that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent him and Mu'adh b. Jabal to Yemen and said to them : Give good tidings to the (people). and make things easy (for them), teach (them), and do not repel (them); and I think he also said: Cooperate cheerfully with each other. When he (the Holy Prophet) turned his back, Abu Musa returned to him and said: Allah's Messenger, they (the people of Yemen) have a drink which is (made) from honey and which is prepared by cooking it until it coagulates, and Mizr is prepared from barley, whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Every intoxicant that detains you from prayer is forbidden.
Book 23, Number 4961:
Abu Burda reported on the authority of his father: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent me and Mu'adh to Yemen saying: Call people (to the path of righteousness) and give good tidings to the (people), and do not repel them, make things easy for them and do not make things difficult. I (Burda) said: Allah's Messenger, give us a religious verdict about two kinds of drinks which we prepare in Yemen. One is Bit' which is prepared from honey; it is a fermented Nabidh and is strong and turns into wine, and (the second is) Mizr which is prepared from millet and barley. Thereupon, Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), who had been gifted with the most eloquent and pithy expressions, said: I forbid you from every intoxicant that keeps you away from prayer.
Book 23, Number 4962:
Jabir reported that a person came from Jaishan, a town of Yemen, and he asked Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) about the wine which was drunk in their land and which was prepared from millet and was called Mizr. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) asked whether that was intoxicating. He said: Yes. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Every intoxicant is forbidden. Verily Allah the Exalted and Majestic, made a covenant to those who drank intoxicants to make their drink Tinat al-Khabal. They said: Allah's Messenger, what is Tinat a]-Khabal? He said : It is the sweat of the denizens of Hell or the discharge of the denizens of Hell.
Book 23, Number 4963:
Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Every intoxicant is Khamr and every intoxicant is forbidden. He who drinks wine in this world and dies while he is addicted to it, not having repented, will not be given a drink in the Hereafter.
Book 23, Number 4964:
Ibn 'Umar, through another chain of transmitters; reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said this: Every intoxicant is Khamr and every intoxicant is forbidden.
Book 23, Number 4966:
Nafi' reported Ibn 'Umar as saying: I do not know this but from Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) who said: Every intoxicant is Khamr and every Khamr is forbidden.
Abu Yaqoob Muhammad Jahangir Ibn Ramadhaan Ibn Himat Ibn Raheem Khan
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as salaamu alaikum,
I need to know the ruling on this: use of sedatives, anxiolytics, and anesthetics. Like we give people benzodiazepines (a class of sedatives like ativan, valium, xanax, versed) for alcohol withdrawals, agitation, insomnia, and even seizures. These drugs act in the same way as alcohol and blunt people's mental response and thus they are technically intoxicants. So what have the ulamaa said about using these in medicine?
How about anesthetics? They are needed to put someone to sleep during surgery and for pain relief post-op. Many times they can blunt the senses and like alcohol be mind-altering drugs. In fact, 50 years ago the only anesthetic they used for surgery was alcohol. So I know alcohol is haraam, but find out if these other drugs are haraam. What have the fuquhaa stated?
jazaakum Allaahu khair
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Aboo Husaam Shaheed ibn George Williams
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in the book of drinks at www.sahihmuslim.com , there is a chapter entitled, "every intoxicant is khamr and every khamr is forbidden"
there is also in the book of prescribed punishments a chapter entitled, "prescribed punishment for (drinking) wine"
aboo husaam shaheed ibn george williams
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Does anyone know if this khutbah is available on tape or CD?
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Abu Yaqoob Muhammad Jahangir ibn Ramadhaan
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salaam alaykum! jazakallahu khairan abu mariam for the clear up on that , i was aware to some degree that using "soft and hard" to make a difference between these substance would be misleading, therefore i used "hard and less harder".
the reason for that was even though taking these substances will kill you either now or in the future, direct or indirect(direct being as a result from the use of the substance e.g overdose, indirect being "under-influenced/wasted/monged out/spaced out" and taking part in an activity e.g drink driving)- each substance has a different level of intoxications, and each substances has a different affect on each person. so now after reading your reply akh i see i should put down "strong intoxicating and less intoxicating". wa jazaak for correcting me on that.
i thought this would be "ok" since we do read that when the ulemah mention the differences between 2 sins one being graver then the other or one being less evil/minor etc, even though their point is not saying that doing the lesser sin is ok, but to distinguish the level or degree of the sin compared to the other.
example for now would be that a person who physically harms his brother is major sin and taking the wealth of an orphan is also a major sin. question which is more severe in punishment?
what i was trying to do in one part of my question was to see if there was a difference in levels of intoxication...according to shariah
because you can find people going into the topic of khamr, and they go very deep into the wording and mention ahadith stating one drop of alcahol is the same as a bottle or something on them terms or the opposite(i really hope the forum can help on the khamr issue please).
smoking its self can cause cancer and many other diseases but it takes a number of years for it to severely affect your health or develop into a known cancer. the initial first few years of smoking reduces health by a vast amount, heavy breathing coughing, thick phlegm (mucus), chest pains and the list can go on!
the first "puff" of ciggarette can cause you to fall over but after time you are somewhat not affected by its level of toxicity so you smoke more and more to get that nicotine rush!
you can barely walk up a flight of 10 steps before you legs feel numbing and your out of breath that is of course you smoke and dont do excersises. you do find people who boast how fit they are and the are heavy smokers and drinkers.
but the level of toxicity is no where near what alcahol could do or any substance as high in level of alcahol.
so where does it lie in the shariah? we know its haraam tahts clear because of all the harms it produces, so again what i would like to know is because it does not affect you in the very same level as alcahol what would be the punishment for smoking ciggerettes and them substances on that intoxicating level?
and then same for cocaine and heroin which really the first "hit" can send you 6ft under. and the effects of taking such substances like heroin are very quick in degenerating the human health that is if you re alive after your first "hit/shot".
with cocaine and its likes you may think it is far worse then alcahol, and may also think the ruling is the same if not death straight away.
also the number of floggings for the drinker of Alcahol? how many is it to be? i.e for every time they drink.
lastly i hope ive used the correct term now i.e. more/less intoxicating, as opposed to less hard, hard substances. let me know please.
walhamdullilaahi rabil aalameen
wasalaam alaykum
Abu Yaqoob Muhammad Jahangir Ibn Ramadhaan Ibn Himat Ibn Raheem Khan
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Abu Mariam Hashim ibn Ya'qub
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Bismillaah
Assallaamu alaikum
Alhumdulillaah I was present at the khutbah you have mentioned above when Abu Hakeem delivered the chapter on Khamar-Intoxicants from the book al-Kabaair (The Major Sins) by Imaam adh-Dhahabee where he mentioned that the user of Alcohol when he is found to be using (1st time) should be flogged, if he is then found to be using again (2nd time) then he should be flogged again, if he is then found to be using again (3rd time) he should be flogged again, if he is then to be found using again (4th time) he should be killed. (I cant remember the exact reference)
We can see how merciful the deen is with regards to these issues alhumdulillaah.
Another thing I wanted to mention akhi Abu Yaqoob barakAllaahu feek is that there is in reality no such thing as a 'soft drug', 'less harder' as if you to only reflect on the figures of deaths caused by smoking Tobacco (which in your post you said was 'less harder' then you will see that over 120,000 people a year die from smoing related illnesses Allaahul musta'an, and to top this most people when smoking Cannabis (marijuana) tend to mix it with Tobacco and tend not to use a filter hence increasing the amount of damage the substances do to oneself.
So although they may not be any reports of people 'dying' from Cannabis (marijuana) smoking, in reality this is only due to smoking Cannabis being added to smoking smoking related deaths in general wAllaahu a'lam.
Also with regards to the issue of the grave of Sulaymaan (alaihis salaam) then the Rasta are not the only ones to make this claim. You will find a lot of the juhaal from amongst the kuffaar and the Muslims making claims of this nature to try and justify to firstly themselves that what they are doing is ok. The main 'fact' that they love to portray about Cannabis is that it has 'all these medicinal attributes'. I say 'yes you are right about that, however how many a person do you know of that smoke Cannabis (Marijuana) for these reasons?
I will leave this one here!!! Food for thought inshaAllaah barakAllaahu feekum.
I hope inshaAllaah that this has given ourselves the opportunity to reflect upon the terms used by the liberal kuffar who come up with these kind of terms 'hard drugs' and 'soft drugs'. Islamically they are all Haraam and all lead to distruction of not only the self but the family nucleus, community and society on a whole. Wa billaahi tawfeeq.
Wassallaamu alaikum
Abu Mariam Hashim ibn Ya'qub al-Gujee
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wa alaikum salaam
Yaa Abaa Yaqoob,
Can you please tell me the exact name of the lecture in which akhee Bilaal Davis (may Allaah preserve him) mentioned:
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the deviation of the rastafarians claiming that marijuana was growing around the grave of Sulaymaan Alayhisalaam.
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I'm interested in listening to this lecture/refutation insha'Allaah.
Barak Allaahu Feek
إبراهيم البخاري
Ibraheem Bukharee (Son of Abdullaah)
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salaam alaykum
We all know Alcahol, intoxicants and anything that harms the body is haraaam.
assuming that the person commiting the sin knows that the action is haraam and the person is living in islaamic state:
what is the islaamic or punishment for the one who drinks alcahol?
have the scholars issued a set punishment for those who use hard substances i.e cocaine heroin? and less harder substances like cigarettes and marijuana?
i know that the above acts are haraam so please provide me the punishment if there is any and how did the scholars come to conclude this.
and what is said about Chat/Kaat, Paan, Naswaar/ Greensnuff.
i know abu hakeem hafidullaah mentioned the deviation of the rastafarians claiming that marijuana was growing aroun the grave of Sulaymaan Alayhisalaam. but that khutbah did not go into whether any punishment was due on any of the above acts. at least i dont remember so.
also i would here people criticise Saudi for killing immigrants who imported heroin but leaving alone Saudi Nationals if they had got anything to do with it.
Any info precisely on this subject strongly appreciated! Wa Jazaak!
wasalaam alaykum,
Abu Yaqoob Muhammad Jahangir Ibn Ramadhaan Ibn Himat Ibn Raheem Khan
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