abu.talhah.a | -- 21-12-2003 @ 3:13 AM | ||||
Assalaamu alaikum. I need some clarification on a particular issue with regard to the Salaatul-Janaazah. With regard to the number of Takbeer in it there is a narration that the Messenger of Allaah sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam made nine (9) takbeers for the prayer over Hamzah radhi'allaahu 'anhu (other than the usual four), and he sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam said this is because Hamzah was dear to him. 1. If someone could please provide the daleel for this. 2. Is this Sunnah an issue that is for the Prophet ONLY and not for anyone else to implement or could this be implemented by anyone too. For example praying (nine takbeers) over someone who is dear to you? If someone knows the answer to this then please provide the daleel. If not could some of our noble brothers please ask this to one of the Ulamaa insha'allaah. Jazakallaah khair Aslam ibn Aftabuddin as-Saylaanee
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reza | -- 22-12-2003 @ 3:34 PM | ||||
Assalamu Alaikum! just a indicator to Bros who are good in Arabic/Ilm that this relevant evidences can be found in Ahkam ul Janaiz by Imam Al-Albaani pgs 106, 133, 141,146. I read this in 2 of the funeral rites books in english. Bro's who want to know the english books titles pls pm me. Pls if any tullabul-ilm could translate to us in english the relevant daleel. reza
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irshadmuhammed | -- 27-12-2003 @ 6:06 AM | ||||
Wa 'alaykum salaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu, Al-hamdulillaah was-salaatu was-salaamu 'alaa Rasoolillaaah - To proceed: I had the opportunity to sit with our noble brother Yahya Silmy as-Saylani with regard to the particular issue of Number of Takbirs in Salatu al- Janazah on yesterday night and last Friday after the Kitab Tadmooriyyah classes. He read the Kitab ?A?hkam al-Jana-iz? Authored by The Muhaddith and the Reviver of the Sunnah, Imaam Muhammed Naasir-ud?Deen Al-Albanee as an answer for it. Summery noted as follows, 1. Sheikh Al-Albanee has discussed this issue under the Point No.74 and Al-Albani says:- ?Rasulullaah sallallaahu ?alaihi wa-sallam used to recite Four(4), or Five(5) untill Nine(9) Takbirs? 2. Sheikh mentions Two hadeeths pertaining to It. The both Hadeeth are as follows :- ?Abdullah ibn az-Zubair, may Allah be pleased with him and his father, reported that the Prophet, salla allahu ?alaihi wa-sallam, said nine Takbirs for ?Hamza, may Allah be pleased with him, when he offered the Funeral Prayer for him. [?Hamzah was martyred during the battle of U?hud] Al-Albani said in pg.,106, ?At-Ta?hawi collected this ?Hadith in his book, Ma?ani al-Aathaar (1:290), using a chain of narration of the grade ?Hasan. The narrators of this ?Hadith are all reliable and well-known and Muhammad ibn Is?haq (a Mudallis) stated that he heard the ?Hadith, there are several other narrations that support its meaning; I collected these narrations in my book, at-Ta?liqat al-Jiyad ?ala Zad-il Ma?ad, No.,75? In pg., 146, al-Albani mentioned another ?Hadith that supports this ruling, by saying, ??Abdullah ibn ?Abbas, may Allah be pleased with both of them, said, ?when Allah?s Apostle, salla allahu ?alaihi wa-sallam, stood by the corpse of ?Hamza. He ordered that his corpse be moved to face the Qiblah. He, salla allahu ?alaihi wa-sallam, then recited nine Takbirs for him.?? In pg.,133, al-Albani said, ?This ?Hadith was collected by at-Tabarani in his book, al-Mu?jam as?Kabir (3:107-108), from Muhammad ibn Is?haq, who stated that he heard it from Muhammad ibn Ka?b al-Quradhi and al-?Haman ibn ?Utaibah, from Miqsam, from Mujahid, from ibn ?Abbas, This is a good chain of narration, containing reliable narrators. Further, Muhammad ibn Is?haq (a Mudallis) stated that he heard the ?Hadith, and therefore, there is no suspicion that he committed Tadlis here.? 3. Al-Albani said in Pg.,145, ?This (nine Takbirs) is the largest number reported regarding how many Takbirs should be recited during Salatu al-Janaza. Therefore, we should stop at this number and not increase it. Yet one is allowed to reduce this number to the least reported, four Takbirs. Ibn al-Qayyim said in, Zad-ul Ma?ad, Pg. 101, (English Translation/Volume-4) after mentioning some of the ?Hadiths he reported ""These are authentic narrations, and therefore, there is no basis for rejecting them. The Prophet, salla allahu ?alaihi wa-sallam, did not forbid reciting more than four Takbirs [during Salatu-al-Janazah]. Rather, he and his companions after him practiced this."" Al-Albani added, Pg.151, regarding how many Takbirs should be recited during the Funeral Prayer, "One recites either four, or five, until nine Takbirs, because each of these numbers was reported from the Prophet, salla allahu ?alaihi wa-sallam. However, it is better to recite any of these numbers at various times, just like the case regarding the various ways of saying Du?aa al-Istisfta?h and Tashahhud [one recites each one of them at different times]. If one wants to recite only one of the reported number of Takbirs, let him recite four, because the ?Hadith that mention this number are more numerous." Note ? (Yahya Silmy said) ? There are people who assume that more than four (4) Takbeers cannot be recited in Salatu al-Janaza, based on weak narrations which has No Weigh which had been assumed to avoid following and adopting this Sunnah. So let no one be confused on their conclusions. Inshaa-Allah hope the above information clarifies the questions brother have asked in the above tread. Above said facts were indeed an very short summery of the detailed explanation and clarification provided by the noble brother Yahya Silmy As-Saylani as-Salafee al-Atharee in reading the kitab ?A?hkam al-Jana-iz of Sheikh Muhammed Naasir-ud?Deen Al-Albanee. And I invite all the brothers to refer the Kitab, so that detail explanations can be obtained and benefited. For English reading brothers they can refer Ibn al-Qayyim?s Kitab Zad-ul Ma?ad, English translation Page-98-104. I would like to remind all of you a wise statement "The truth is not know by people, know the truth and you will know people" Allah Knows Best. Irshad Muhammed as-Saylani.
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reza | -- 28-12-2003 @ 4:09 AM | ||||
Jazakallah & May reward Br Abu Abdurahman Yahya Silmy. One more clarification from him or other tullabul-ilm, to get the whole matter complete, that is as in the question of Br Aslam is their even a weak narration the nine takbirs is ONLY SPECIFIC for the Prophet Muhammad sallallah laihi wa sallam and He prayed only to Hamza may Allah be pleased with him. reza Abu-Fadhlallah Muhammad Reza
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irshadmuhammed | -- 03-01-2004 @ 9:08 AM | ||||
Wa 'alaykum salaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu, Al-hamdulillaah was-salaatu was-salaamu 'alaa Rasoolillaaah - To proceed:
Allah Knows Best. Irshad Muhammed as-Saylani.
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reza | -- 04-01-2004 @ 2:00 AM | ||||
Assalamu Alaikum! We are not confused with the daleel.Jazakallah for your effort of posting the pages of Zaad-ul-Maal.As a part of education to us what we need from the tullabul-ilm prefably from the Ulema or the best from the Major scholars themselves an answer is that some salafi/Tauhidi bros are holding a position that 9 TAKABEERS 1.This was SPECFIC TO MUHAMMAD sallallahu alaihi wa sallam. 2.Was performed only to Hamza may Allah be pleased with him. SO IS There any base for their kalaam.We understand they should provide daleel for their kalaam but again as an education to us. Is there any Hadith weak/authentic....or any statement of salaf..suppoting their understanding or the above two positons has no base from our salaf us saalih. reza
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