Abu.Hafs.Bilaal | -- 23-07-2003 @ 4:04 PM | ||||||||||||||||||||
Bismillah walHamdulillah wa Salaatu wa Salaam ala Rasoolulah As salaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu A pregnant sister's husband died. She delivered the baby 3 weeks later. What is the earliest time she can entertain inquiries for marriage?Is there a waiting period after the delivery considering she is a new widow? Jazakallahu khairan for any of the students of knowledge or mashaikh who can help me with this. wassalaam abuhafs bilaal as salafi
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talibdeenrashad | -- 23-07-2003 @ 5:47 PM | ||||||||||||||||||||
Wa 'alaykee Salaam, Maybe this will help. And those of you who die and leave wives behind them, they (the wives) shall wait (as regards their marriage) for four months and ten days, then when they have fulfilled their term, there is no sin on you if they (the wives) dispose of themselves in a just and honourable manner (i.e. they can marry). And Allâh is Well-Acquainted with what you do. (Al-Baqarah 2:234)
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Admin | -- 26-07-2003 @ 7:56 PM | ||||||||||||||||||||
As Salaamu Alaykum What you are suggesting is that "Maybe" the woman has to wait four months and ten days. Please refrain from answering questions by saying "Maybe". Either you know the specific answer with its evidence to the specific question with full knowledge, or you do not. In which case it is better to keep silent. Otherwise this is speaking about the deen without knowledge and certainty. A reminder to everyone that this will not be tolerated on this forum. http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=18&Topic=203 Important Information For All SalafiTalk.Net Members Alhamdulillah Was Salatu Was Salamu Alaa Ashrafil-Anbiyaa. Wa Ba'd: Over the past week or so we have become concerned with a number of trends on this board. And in the past day or two our concerns have been confirmed by other board members who have shared our feelings and offered their naseeha, jazaahumullaahu khairan. As people who subscribe to the manhaj of the Salaf and who implement in practically, then we should be aware of the following affairs: a) Not speaking about Allaah and His Deen without knowledge b) Referring matters to the people of knowledge c) Not preceding the people of knowledge in affairs that require legal rulings (fatwaa) d) Not putting oneself forward in issues whilst there others who are more capable e) Actually understanding what is being said or asked, before attempting to reply, or before posting statements and rulings of scholars that do not even relate to the specific case at hand This, we believe is something that is already understood and known to most of us, since this is from those things that make us Salafis, and distinguish us from others, and there is no need to enter into detail in these matters here. In light of this we are unhappy with the fact that a number of people have been very quick in expressing opinions, being bold to answer questions, and putting themselves forward to speak and offer answers, despite the fact that there are on this board students who have graduated from al-Jaami'ah al-Islaamiyyah, or who are currently studying there, and students of Shaykh Muqbil (rahimahullaah) and also many brothers in Saudi and Kuwait, who are in close proximity with the people of knowledge, who have not seen it fit to speak themselves. So despite all of this, some individuals have been coming out and expressing views and opinions, which were not free from error. This has occurred from brothers and sisters. As one of our noble brothers, who is also concerned about this, observed:
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aboo.bilal | -- 26-07-2003 @ 11:18 PM | ||||||||||||||||||||
al-Hamdu-Lillaahi Rabbil-'Aalameen was-Salaatu was-Salaamu 'alaa Ashrafil-Anbiyaa'e wal-Mursaleen, wa ba'd: With regards to the original question the answer is contained in the following fatwa that can be found at www.fatwa-online.com The following question was asked toThe Permanent Committee for Islaamic Research and Fataawa A man died and his wife was elderly, over seventy years old, with little ability to think and no servant. He died while she was still married to him. Does she have to go through the mourning period like others? What is the wisdom behind such an act if someone is old like her? Why then is it that the pregnant woman mourns only until she gives birth, implying that the mourning period is just to make certain that the woman is or is not pregnant? In a case like this woman, that possibility is not present.
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aboo.bilal | -- 27-07-2003 @ 9:47 AM | ||||||||||||||||||||
al-Hamdu-Lillaahi Rabbil-'Aalameen was-Salaatu was-Salaamu 'alaa Ashrafil-Anbiyaa'e wal-Mursaleen, wa ba'd: Assalam-o-Alayqum wa Rahmatullaahi wa Barakatahu With regards to the question about the sister who is pregnant and her period of waiting the answer can be found in the following fatawa barakhAllaahu feekum: And for a further clarification the answer can be found in the second paragraph of the response in the following fatwa: Wa salaam-o-Alayqum wa Rahmatullaahi wa Barakhatahu Aboo Bilal Nahim
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abu.naasir | -- 27-07-2003 @ 3:42 PM | ||||||||||||||||||||
Firstly: I would like to say Jazaakumullaahu khiaran,to the Admin in general since they usually go unmentioned, but specifically for their swift response to this thread since the ayah above was misused, as I hope the following translations will show. And with regard to point (a) raised by Admin, may Allaah preserve them, a) Not speaking about Allaah and His Deen without knowledge Then in general, and not as an attack against any certain individual, I would like to mention that I have heard our Shaikh the Rabee us-Sunnah (may Allaah preserve him) mention on a tape entitled al-Istiqaamah, when he spoke about those things which nullify al-Istiqaamah the saying of Allaah, the Most High, ?Say, But the things my Lord has forbidden are ?Fawaahishah (evil sins), whether committed openly or secretly, sins of all kinds and oppression without right and joining partners with Allaah for which He has given no authority, and saying things about Allaah of which you have no knowledge.? (al-Araaf 33) And the Shaikh explains each of these categories and how Imaam Ibn ul-Qayyim has mentioned that Allaah has listed them in order of their severity. Then Shaikh Rabee explains each of them and mentions how shirk is the greatest sin, and greater than shirk is speaking about Allaah without knowledge, which includes shirk and is the foundation of it. So this ayah contains a great warning from speaking about Allaah without knowledge, a crime which is more severe than shirk. May Allaah protect us from falling into this great crime! To proceed: Shaikh Saaleh al-Fawzaan, may Allaah preserve him, says in his book ?Tanbihaat ?alaa ahkaam takhtassu bil-mu?minaat?, pg.111:
The Shaikh then mentions quoting the appropriate references, The second type (The iddah of a woman who menstruates - 3 menstrual cycles), And the third type (the iddah of the women who do not menstruate- the girl who does not menstruate and the old woman who has stopped menstruation- 3 months). The Shaikh (may Allaah preserve Him) then says,
The Imaam Allaamah as-Shaikh Abdur Rahmaan bin Naasir as-Sadee says in his book ?Manhaj us Saalikeen wat-Tawdeeh al-fiqhi fid-Deen? (pub. Dar ul Watan, pp. 281) on page 217:
The Shaikh then discusses some of the things that she must not do during her iddah e.g. not beautify or perfume herself and confine herself to the house where her husband died and not to leave it except for a need and during the day.
Based on notes from the classes we had on Manhaj us-Saalikeen, Shaikh Muhammad al-Fayfee said,
The Shaikh then asked a question, ?If a woman has twins does her iddah end (and thus she can accept a marriage proposal) upon the delivery of first child or upon delivery of both?? And this is sometimes the case when the two babies (or more) can be separated by a day. And in following the example of our brother Abul Abbaas Mosaa yahfadhahullah, we will leave the answer for anyone who knows! And Allaah knows best! Abul Irbaad Abid Zargar
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Abu.Abdullah.A | -- 27-07-2003 @ 4:34 PM | ||||||||||||||||||||
Jazaakallaahu khayran Abu Nasir. The answer to this question is also explained by Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen in his book Difference of Opinion Amongst Scholars (Eng. Trans. p.18-20), where he illustrates that both Alee and Ibn Abbaas (radiyallaahu anhumaa) held the view that the pregnant woman whose husband dies should take the longer of the two waiting periods. So if the husband dies 2 weeks before delivery, the waiting period is four months and ten days from the time he dies (extending past the delivery). And if the husband dies 6 months before delivery, her waiting period is until she delivers. The reason they held this view is that they combined the two verses together (65:4) and (2:234), because the first relates to pregant women, and the second relates to widowed women. However, in the Sunnah, the Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) permitted Subay'ah al-Aslamiyyah to get married after she gave birth following the death of her husband by only a few nights. So this means that the actual verse which contains the ruling on this issue is the one in Surah Talaaq (65:4). "And for those who are pregnant, their prescribed period is until they lay down their burden (i.e. deliver the baby)" (at-Talaaq: 4) Shaykh al-Uthaymeen says that if these companions had known of this Sunnah they would have adhered to it in their opinion. This message was edited by Abu.Abdullah.A on 7-27-03 @ 4:49 PM
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Abu.Hafs.Bilaal | -- 28-07-2003 @ 2:23 PM | ||||||||||||||||||||
wa alaikum as salaam Jazakallahu khairan to all those who responded from knowledge and the Admin. I am very clear about this issue now, thanks to the provision of the daleel, and I hope and pray that all the readers understand the beauty of knowledge and the statements of the ulema and their students. May Allah reward you all from good. wa salaamu alaikum abu hafs bilaal as salafi
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