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 abdulilah
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assalamu 'alaikum,
yes i sent out a letter asking who wrote that piece on that manhajwebsite??? about our sheikh Muhammad Abdulwahhab al Banna and he admitted it was him but then went on an onslaught as to why i brought it out into the the open!!!
I told him it was already made open when you incorrectly wrote what you wrote about the sheikh. so therefore it was open to criticsm as i was there when the sheikh relayed what had happened.
Then he said i must have translated his words to the sheikh incorrectly so i told him that i had read his piece in English first then i translated it to the sheikh and the sheikh understands both languages!!!
I will say to the brother it is good that you have left that website due to their unclarity of the manhaj but what is the problem in saying you made a mistake especially since the sheikh denied the way you portrayed him saying that look how sheikh al Banna was with the heads of the innovators then how about those less than him. The sheikh deserves this right at least.
This message was not what the sheikh pushed out but the brother's message and it is not according to the salafi manhaj since the ahlusunnah are not soft with the heads of the innovators and people of desires, rather they refute their statements and no karama, a simple example is the Sheikh Muqbil's rahimahullaah title to his book "Shutting up the barking dog Yusuf al Qardawi"
Sheikh al Banna told Abdulrahman not to come to his house until Abdulrahman repents so look how he dealt with him yes he was just and he wishes him to come to the truth but without compromising the truth.
So i say to the brother we all make mistakes and the best of those who make mistakes are those who turn to repentance.
And finally, i was surprised when the brother said that i had brought it to the open like this and i know and he knows that i didn't know it was him until he openly professed it but then tried to defend it and that was wrong. Since he has translated the 6 exceptions to backbiting of Imam Nawawi and from it is to make inkaar of the munkar and to make tahdeer (warning of open errors)
So i wish for the brother what i wish for myself, the haq and Allaah will raise one who is sincere upon this blessed path and accepts the advice of those that advise. From the advice is to openly refute open mistakes that could lead others astray (See sheikh aal Albaani's book called 'Naseehah' and it is all a refutation of open errors) and to the sheikh it was a wrong message that could lead others astray.
Infact the sheikh repeated "i told him not to come to my house until he repents?" denying your statement. yakfee
It is from the sheikh's excellent manners to wish people accept the truth but he never compromises the deen in doing so and Allaah knows best.
I have only written this as the brother has asked about Isma'eel and since i was the one who initially discussed with him the topic thought it right to reply and since until now we have heard no recantment of this open error and wrong manhaji message that was portrayed.
Allaah knows best.
قال تعالى:{إنا نحن نزلنا الذكر وإنا له لحافظون}
قال الشيخ السعدي - رحمه الله - في تفسيره (3/31): " فلا يحرف محرف معنى من معانيه( القرآن ) إلا وقيض الله له من يبين الحق المبين وهذا من أعظم آيات الله ونعمه على عباده المؤمنين".
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| abdulilah
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barakallaahu feek
Also Sheikh Khalid ibn Abdulrahman ibn Ahmed al Shai?eh in his book about Correcting the mistakes in Aqeedah of Sheikh Sho?aib al Arnaotd? called, ?Istidraak at-Ta?qeeb ?ala Sheikh Sho?aib al Arnaotd fi Ta?weelih ba?d ahadeeth as-Sifaat? Which has been read by Sheikh Abdul Aziz ibn Abdullah ibn Baaz rahimahullaah where the writer Sheikh Khalid states:
?A person may say - Why didn?t you write these mistakes to Sheikh Sho?aib al Arnaotd such that the advice would be in secret between you and him? And the reply to that is: This is a good thing if those mistakes in Aqeedah belonged only to Sho?aib himself, without him writing it and publishing it to the masses, it has been published and for the past 10 years without correction. The obligation is to clarify it to the masses (also) such that the Muslims are warned and are careful of it.? P.8
Abdulilah
to Allaah we rely upon and what a blessed reliance it is
قال تعالى:{إنا نحن نزلنا الذكر وإنا له لحافظون}
قال الشيخ السعدي - رحمه الله - في تفسيره (3/31): " فلا يحرف محرف معنى من معانيه( القرآن ) إلا وقيض الله له من يبين الحق المبين وهذا من أعظم آيات الله ونعمه على عباده المؤمنين".
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| shahid393
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as-salaamu 'alaykum,
i contacted abu maryam via his website with the following:
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as-salaamu 'alaykum,
Akhee, I am contacting you to encourage you to clarify your condition openly on Salafitalk.net.
If you are correct, then you have no reason to fear doing so. If you are incorrect, then there is no harm in making mistakes and then making amends.
Akhee, we don't know each other and I'm not doing this on the behalf of anyone. I am just concerned about this issue, as it seems as though you have done a great deal of good work, and I would like for the Salafees to benefit from it without having doubts about your character and condition.
Please forgive me if I have embarrased you.
Your brother in Islaam,
Aboo Husaam Shaheed Williams
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to which he replied:
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as-Salaam 'Alaikum wa Rahmatullaah
Akhee, barakAllaahu feek wa jazaakAllaah khairan for the nice reminder and encouraging words of advice. Al-Hamdulillaah, I have thought about this issue, and feel that it is best to humble myself and make amends, even though I felt I had previously clarified my position on this issue over a year ago on a thread, where I stated that if that is what Shaikh Al-Bannaa said then his words take precedence and my statement is to be thrown against the wall. However, since this still seems to be an issue, I will not let pride impede me from clarifying again. So I say:
Yes, the statement that I made that Shaikh Muhammad Al-Bannaa showed gentleness to a chief innovator, Abdur-Rahman Abdul-Khaliq was wrong and incorrect as the Shaikh himself, who is more knowledgable about the meanings of his words, clarified. Rather he was strict and if this in any way caused people to get the wrong impression that we should be lenient with the innovators then I ask Allaah to forgive me for that.
Lastly, akhee, I kindly ask you if you have access to Salafi Talk, to post this reply with your request up, since it has been more than a year since i posted there and dont remember my acct. details.
Once again, may Allaah reward you for assisting me in this matter.
as-Salaam 'Alaikum wa Rahmatullaah
isma'eel
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aboo husaam shaheed williams
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| abdulilah
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assalamu 'alaikum,
Firstly, MayAllaah reward the brother Abu Maryam for his clarification that what he said was an error as sheikh Muhammad al Banna has clarified that he was not gentle with the heads of the innovators but he was -firm and just- to Abdulrahman Abdulkhaaliq as this is the way of Ahlussunah they are the most knowledgeable about the truth and most merciful to the creation. So the message: look how he was with the heads of the innovators so how is it for those less than him... is a wrong message. And to say why don't you advise me personallay for an open error is also wrong.
Secondly, From the mercy of Ahlu Sunnah is to clarify the truth to the people, even to the extent that when the truth is shown to the disbelievers then this is from the mercy of the Ahlu Sunnah. Even when refuting the innovators then this is mercy for them in the sense that less and less people will follow them upon their misguidance. This is what Sheikh Rabee' explained in one of his Sharee'ah (Imam Ajuree) classes.
I pray to Allaah that Allaah accepts it and strengthens us and the brother upon this blessed path upon ILM, 'Amal and most important al Ikhlaas.
I have not met the brother nor have i seen him or know him except from what i read and as a right upon Sheikh Muhammad al Banna i asked who said it, it has still been an issue since a year ago as the brother was not clear in taking back his error as he himself said in this post now:
"I stated that if that is what Shaikh Al-Bannaa said then his words take precedence and my statement is to be thrown against the wall."
The "IF" should not have been used in retracting an error rather the use of the word "IF" is neither here or there since i already told him what the sheikh said and what he said was wrong and he should have accepted straight away but he started attacking my translation and why i openely corrected his OPEN error alhamdulillaah as you can see IT WAS an issue because he wasn't clear in retracting his error but now mashaallaah we ask Allaah to shower His mercy on the brother for clearly taking back the mistake without any istithnaa (IF's).
Allaah is my witness that what was sought was to defend the haq and alhamdulillaah may Allaah reward the brother for being straight up.
This is a reminder for all of us that before we write something we must make sure is is correct and according to the Quran and Sunnah upon the understanding of the pious predecessors if not then we must be prepared for a correction.
May Allaah reward the brother brother for the clarity of his statement:
"the statement that I made that Shaikh Muhammad Al-Bannaa showed gentleness to a chief innovator, Abdur-Rahman Abdul-Khaliq was wrong and incorrect as the Shaikh himself, who is more knowledgable about the meanings of his words, clarified. Rather he was strict and if this in any way caused people to get the wrong impression that we should be lenient with the innovators then I ask Allaah to forgive me for that."
Alhamdulilaahi Rabbil 'aalameen
قال تعالى:{إنا نحن نزلنا الذكر وإنا له لحافظون}
قال الشيخ السعدي - رحمه الله - في تفسيره (3/31): " فلا يحرف محرف معنى من معانيه( القرآن ) إلا وقيض الله له من يبين الحق المبين وهذا من أعظم آيات الله ونعمه على عباده المؤمنين".
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08-12-2003 @ 9:48 PM
