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01-04-2010 @ 11:14 PM    Notify Admin about this post
. Abdulilah Rabah Lahmami (Al Madeenah, S. Arabia)
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Reply to Abu Fajr Abdul-Fataah al-Kanadi as-Somali for his excessive lies and false accusations

Alhamdullillaah rabil `alameen and no enmity except to the oppressors and I testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allaah and peace and blessing be upon Muhammad salallaahu `alaihi wa sallam, His servant and Messenger and his family and companions Ammaa ba`d:

Abu Fajr Abdul-Fataah al-Kanadi as-Somali (a youth in his early twenties) known by us to be active in spreading fitnah and discord on the internet forums and mailing lists has again spread tribulation amongst the Salafis by his vile writings.

Sheikh Rabee' has advised the people not to spread the fitnah taking place in Yemen. Due to Abu Fajr's persistance, Sheikh Rabee' now knows about his actions and has asked me to tell his likes to stop spreading fitnah on the internet and to keep out of these affairs.

As for his recent email falsely accusing my honor, then they are lies and slanders:

سُبْحَانَكَ هَذَا بُهْتَانٌ عَظِيمٌ

Glorified be You, this is indeed a mighty slander!

And keep in mind the hadeeth of the Messenger (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) who said:

إياكم والكذب فإن الكذب يهدي إلى الفجور وإن الفجور يهدي إلى النار وإن الرجل ليكذب ويتحرى الكذب حتى يكتب عند الله كذابا

"Beware of lying for Indeed lying leads to evil acts and evil acts lead to the hell-fire, and a man continues to lie until he (the liar) is written as a liar" (Saheeh Sunan Abee Dawood 4989)

After Speaking to Sheikh `Ubayd al-Jaabiree and going through Abu Fajr's false accusations then Sheikh `Ubayd  al-Jaabiree said: "He should be called Abu Fujoor" Meaning: The one who in known for many evils. The Sheikh said refute his lies because of his fujoor in speech.

Regarding his persistent fitnah making regarding spreading the fitnah of Yemen, Sheikh Abdullaah al-Bukhaari said: "This shows his fitnah and deviation." This is why I am writing this after seeking advice from the people of knowledge.

By Allaah, if this youth, Abu Fajr, came to me and advised me with a genuine error then I would be happy to take it back before a day comes when Allaah questions me about it. We will all die and return to the Almighty, The Just.

Abu fajr is not honest and is very imprecise when narrating. He doesn't check or verify what he narrates and nor does he have concern for it.

Some of the brothers in Masjid as-Sunnah know him well and have advised him but his arrogant nature continues. He has gathered between lies and arrogance. As for arrogance then this makes him not accept the truth and as for lies then this leads him to not check things and claim things about others that are not true.

Let me answer each accusation one by one so you can see that when he narrates he is a weak narrator, a fabricator and very quick to seek fitnah and enters into exaggeration. Indeed in the fitnah they fell, as Allaah said:

الا في الفتنه سقطوا

"Indeed in the fitnah they fell..."
Soorah Tawbah:49

Bismillaahirahman araheem wa bihi nasta`een

Abu Fajr says:

> 1: The brother is well known for warning against seeking knowledge in
> Dammaaj, then he tries to deny it, many brothers from London, Cardiff
> and Birmingham witnessed this. Shaykh Rabee said about the one who
> warns against Dammaaj " he is a person of desires".

As for warning against studying in Dammaaj then I do not do this and this is a lie. Initially, I heard Sheikh `Ubayd's speech about Sheikh Yahyah and studying with him (i.e. that he did not approve it) - and this is what I mentioned to those who asked me what Sheikh `Ubayd's stance was 2 years ago, and he did not warn against studying in Dammaaj but studying under Sheikh Yahyah.

I myself chose to take the advice of Sheikh Rabee' Ibn Haadee and that was not to enter this fitnah - and this was after I spoke to Sheikh Rabee' personally about it. On numerous occasions I have warned the brothers in Masjid as-Sunnah, West London, from entering this fitnah. Whereas, Abu Fajr's emails attacking the `Ulamah have gone far and wide from almost the first day. So where is his justice and sidq and action upon the advice of Shaikh Rabee` and the senior scholars?

I have spoken to numerous brothers from Cardiff, London and Birmingham who know my stance on this so Abu Fajr should not speak without knowledge as he only harms himself. And we are more aware of the UK Salafi Centres than he, walillaahil-hamd. I ask anyone to contact those maraakiz, and ask them whether they agree with Abu Fajoor's accusations against Shaikh `Ubaid or Shaikh Falaah or his attacks upon their brother Abdulilaah. Ask the brothers at Salafi Publications, or Markaz Mu'aadh, or Markaz Salafi in Manchester, or Masjid as-Sunnah, or Maktabah al-Athariyyah and so on. I ask my respected readers to phone them or email them, and ask them.

Abu Fajr said about me:

> 2: He claims that the Sahaabah , may Allah be pleased with them, had
> issues where some of them would haste to accuse one another of falling
> into innovations.
> This statement of his is available in audio form with the title: Fear
> Allah and prepare for tomorrow CD number 5.

A blantant lie! Why can you not at least quote me exactly rather than ttyping what you thought I said, or what wished I'd said! So This is a lie from you, Abu Fajr.

This is what I actually said and I'm quoting from cd no.5:

"Some people brought in a janaazah into the masjid and then some of the compani..(corrected myself immediately) some of the people at that time, they saw this janaazah come into the mosque and they and one person in particular said: 'What is this?' As if to say it is a bid`ah so Aa`isha (radiallaahu `anhaa) said: 'How people rush to say something is bad without knowledge.' And this shows you to know sunnah and to know bid`ah, you need knowledge. You need to tread the path of knowledge and wallaahi! By Allaah, this is a gift from Allaah."

As you can see I was about to say 'Companions' as a slip of the tongue, but I corrected myself and said, "Some of the people at that time", as there could have been other than the Companions - but in his slanderer, Abu Fajr chose to not mention this, seeking to dishonor me and twist my words.

This is the reference for that authentic narration which is how I narrated it. Saheeh Muslim (973/2297/1616)

عَنْ عَبَّادِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ الزُّبَيْرِ يُحَدِّثُ عَنْ عَائِشَةَ أَنَّهَا لَمَّا تُوُفِّىَ سَعْدُ بْنُ أَبِى وَقَّاصٍ أَرْسَلَ أَزْوَاجُ النَّبِىِّ -صلى الله عليه وسلم- أَنْ يَمُرُّوا بِجَنَازَتِهِ فِى الْمَسْجِدِ فَيُصَلِّينَ عَلَيْهِ فَفَعَلُوا فَوُقِفَ بِهِ عَلَى حُجَرِهِنَّ يُصَلِّينَ عَلَيْهِ أُخْرِجَ بِهِ مِنْ بَابِ الْجَنَائِزِ الَّذِى كَانَ إِلَى الْمَقَاعِدِ فَبَلَغَهُنَّ أَنَّ النَّاسَ عَابُوا ذَلِكَ وَقَالُوا مَا كَانَتِ الْجَنَائِزُ يُدْخَلُ بِهَا الْمَسْجِدَ. فَبَلَغَ ذَلِكَ عَائِشَةَ فَقَالَتْ مَا أَسْرَعَ النَّاسَ إِلَى أَنْ يَعِيبُوا مَا لاَ عِلْمَ لَهُمْ بِهِ. عَابُوا عَلَيْنَا أَنْ يُمَرَّ بِجَنَازَةٍ فِى الْمَسْجِدِ وَمَا صَلَّى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ -صلى الله عليه وسلم- عَلَى سُهَيْلِ ابْنِ بَيْضَاءَ إِلاَّ فِى جَوْفِ الْمَسْجِدِ.

In the wording in Sunan al-Baihaqi which is hasan (51/4 or see Maktaba Shaamila 7286) the additional wording:

ıثُمَّ بَلَغَ عَائِشَةَ رَضِىَ اللَّهُ عَنْهَا أَنَّ بَعْضَ النَّاسِ عَابَ ذَلِكَ وَقَالَ : هَذِهِ بِدْعَةٌ مَا كَانَتِ الْجَنَازَةُ تَدْخُلُ الْمَسْجِدَ فَقَالَتْ
السنن الكبرى (4/51)، وإسناده حسن؛ عبد الواحد بن حمزة صدوق، وبقية الرواة كلهم ثقات.

(And its isnaad is hasan; Abdul-Waahid bin Hamza being sadooq, and all the rest of the narrators in the chain are thiqaat or trustworthy.)

Additionally, Sheikh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-`Uthaimeen {rahimahullaah) said: "(Some) of the Companions speaking against that was because it hadn`t reached them that the Messenger (sallallaahu `alaihi wa salaam) did that (i.e. pray Janaza in the Masjid)..." (Explanation of Saheeh Muslim kitaab Jum`ah wal `Eedain tape no.10).

This is not reviling the Companions (radiallaahu `anhum) as you can see. Or are you going to say that Sheikh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-`Uthaimeen (rahimahullaah) is accusing some of the Companions (radiallaahu `anhum) also! While He is known as an Imaam?!  

Your hastiness and injustice has only exposed you for what you are - may Allaah guide you Aba Fajr.

> 3: On May 4, 2007 a group of brothers from Philly and New Jersey
> sat with Shaykh Waseeallah at his home in Mecca. It was at this time the
> brother Abdulillah refused to translate the speech of the Shaykh to the non-arabic
> speaking brothers that were there. Abdulilah showed disrespect to the
> Shaykh by arguing with him and even cutting his speech off several
> times when trying to defend that which he saw to be right.
> The Shaykh became very angry with him.

Again he uses a website version of this story that is known for speaking ill of the scholars and showing enmity to towards them, this website even accuses Shaikh Al-Albaanee of being a murji' (that site being: AHYA) - on this topic the narrator is unknown until today! Is this the way of the people of Hadeeth? To quote from majaaheel (unknown sources), taken from sites who show enmity towards the Sunnah and its scholars? Is this your manhaj Abaa Fajr?

"إن كنت ناقلًا فالصحة ، أو مدعيًا فالدليل"

You narrate a twisted, unverified version of the story and use it as your proof from a website you obviously trust to narrate from. I have already replied to this lie if you followed the story correctly, rather I translated a whole lecture from the Sheikh and only when he was asked a fitnah question I discussed with the sheikh that it was inappropriate seeing many of the brothers who attended were new.

So Aba Fajr get your facts right before narrating. At least know who the narrator is!? Or mention him to us all if you are truthful otherwise recant. In the same sitting Sheikh Wasi`ullaah said, "I love you and I know you only seek the truth." That hardly sounds like he was angry!

Abu Fajr states:

> 4: He said that Shaykh Al-Albaani is a hujjah (proof) in this time
> context of the sentence of the brother's speech or meaning as a nick
> name this also has been criticized refer back to Shaykh Islaam's book
> on nick names).
Reference for this is on the same audio
> : Fear Allah and prepare for Tomorrow, CD number 5.

The context was to mention Sheikh Al-Albaani (rahimahullaah) as standing out amongst the scholars such that I mentioned he stood out sticking to the text, the Quraan, the Sunnah in the understanding of the pious predecessors such that he became well known for his knowledge of hadeeth and adherence to knowledge and truth. I didn't mean that whatever he says even if it is a mistake we accept it. This is not what I meant. Imaam Dhahabee (rahimahullaah) is quoted as saying in Tadkiratul Hufaadh his praise for Imaam Mizzee rahimahullah that he is:

وكان ثقة حجة ، كثير العلم ، حسن الأخلاق ، كثير السكوت ، قليل الكلام جِدًّا ، صادق

ıHe was trustworthy, a hujjah (a proof), with much knowledgeıı

Meaning that he has a lot of knowledge. Here are more examples amongst many.

أحمد بن محمّد بن حنبل الشيباني المروزي، أحد الأئمة، ثقة حافظ فقيه حجة، توفي سنة إحدى وأربعين ومئتين. (التقريب ص 84).

ıAhmad bin Muhammad bin Hanbal ash-Shaibaanee al-Marwazee: one of the Imaams, trustworthy, memorizer, jurist, hujjah (a proof)ıı

سفيان ابن سعيد الثوري، ثقة حافظ فقيه عابد إمام حجة. توفي سنة إحدى وستين ومئة. (التقريب ص 244).

ıSufyaan bin Saıeed ath-Thawree: trustworthy, memorizer, jurist, worshipper, Imaam, hujjah (a proof)

There are thousands of biographies in the books of the `Ulamah with this type of description on the `Ulamah and I have been preceded by Sheikh `Ubayd al-Jaabiree who said that Sheikh Al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah) was a hujjah in hadeeth.

This is what I meant when I said Hujja to show respect for the Sheikh and his status. The books of Jarh wa Ta`deel are full of this type of praise for those deserving it. I have never said any one Sheikh is infallible or above the truth; rather the truth is more beloved to us. If you have a problem then you have a problem with the scholars of hadeeth and not me. Which of the scholars of hadeeth intended that by the use of the term "hujjah" that all these scholars are infallible!

Abu Fajr, the youth, claims:

> 5: He claims that fitan (tribulations) should only be returned back to the
> Major scholars (CD number 5). This is totally wrong refer back to Shaykh
> Rabee's kalaam regarding this mistake.
> :

Allaah says:

"And when there comes to them news of security or fear they spread it abroad; and if they had referred it to the Messenger and to those in authority among them, those among them who can search out the knowledge of it would have known it." (Soorah Nisaa: 83)

Ibn Katheer (rahimahullaah) said regarding this Verse:

"This is refuting those who RUSH to spread affairs before ascertaining them, so he tells others about it and he spreads it and circulates it and it may not even be true."

Sheikh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-`Uthaimeen (rahimahullaah): "No doubt the scholars are from the people of authority because they take charge in carrying out the affairs of the people by clarifying the Shareeıah and they call to it." [Sharh Saheeh Muslim 5/243]

The elders amongst the scholars at the time of tribulations have firm knowledge and experience to deal with what is presented to the people. This, I benefited personally about 12 years ago while visiting Sheikh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-`Uthaimeen (rahimahullaah) in `Unaizah in his explanation of the fact that Abu Bakr (radiallaahu `anhu) was the eldest and firmest amongst the companions in times of Fitan. Sheikh `Ubayd al-Jaabiree also always would quote the famous statement of Abdullaah ibn Mas`ood (radiallaahu `anhu) when he said:

لا يزال الناس بخير ما أخذوا العلم عن أكابرهم فإذا أخذوه عن أصاغرهم وشرارهم هلكوا

"The people will continue to be upon goodness so long as they take knowledge from their elders so when the take knowledge from the young ones and evil ones amongst them they are destroyed."

Sheikh Rabee' ibn Haadi al-Madkhalee said that it is not even comprehended that one does not understand this, but rather he advises to go back to the elder scholars in times of fitnah without restricting to any particular scholar.

As for your quote above from Sheikh Rabee' then it is out of context, as much of you speech, and unrelated - he was talking about not specifying one Sheikh or two but then you use it out of context. Your understanding is weak, Abu Fajr. Which scholars did I specify one, two..? Bring your proof that I have ever limited this da`wah to one scholar! May Allaah guide you.

Abu Musa al-Ash`aree (radiallaahu `anhu) waited for Abdullah ibn Mas`ood (radiallaahu `anhu) when he saw bid`ah in the mosque to seek his advice about it first for he was an elder (see Sunan ad-Daarimee, the narration is Saheeh). The truth is what must be followed and adhered to but at the same time asking for example the advice of the elders amongst the scholars in times of fitan such as in the past asking Sheikh Bin Baz, Sheikh Al-Albaani and Sheikh Ibn `Uthaimeen, Shaikh Muqbil (rahimahumullaah) and today for example, asking the likes of Sheikh Saalih Fawzan, Sheikh Abdul-Muhsin al-`Abbad Sheikh Rabee' and others then, inshaallaah, this is praiseworthy and better.

Abu Fajr stated:

> 6: He confines seeking knowledge to the Major scholars. Shaykh Saalih
> Al-Luhaidaan, may Allah preserve him, mentioned in his explanation to the
> Forty Hadeeth of Al-Imaam An-Nawaawi tape number three side B, that
> confining seeking knowledge to the Major scholars has no origin to the
> way of the Salaf. Also Shaykh Muhammad Bazmool detailed this matter in his book
> "Important Phrases" under the chapter "He's not from the Kibaar (Major
> scholars)." Mentioning this is from the poison of the people of
> innovation. Many brothers from Britain have informed me of this
> particular issue of his.

The Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) said:

"It is enough to call a man a liar that he narrates everything he hears" Saheeh al-Jaami' 4482 and Jaami' as-Sagheer, 8611 authenticated by Al-Albaani (rahimahullaah).

Sheikh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-`Uthaimeen said "How many times information (that is spread) is not true so the person regrets if he mentions it (to others) or build issues around it." [Sharh Saheeh Muslim vol 5: p.143].

So another Kadhib (lie). I do not know what Abu Fajr is talking about and what is coming out of his disturbed mind! Since amongst those I have benefited from are the elders as well as some of the younger scholars of Madinah and Makkah and on the same CD that he is quoting from, I mentioned Sheikh Sulaiman Ruhailee, and he is not from the elders so where do I confine seeking knowledge to only the major scholars? The speech of Abu Fajr is hardly worthy of a response. I leave your affair to Allaah. As for Sheikh Muhammad Bazmool, our teacher in Makkah, then his book's name is:

"Misleading Phrases"

and not:

"Important Phrases"

You cannot even quote the name of the book correctly indeed your whole 14 points are misleading phrases and comments, as your emails over the last several months have been such as your criticisms and belittlement of Shaikh Ubayd and Shaikh Falaah Ismaa'eel and others. Learn your deen before speaking about it. And you criticize my translations you can't even mention the name of the book correctly!

Abu Fajr states:

> 7: He claims that there was no Sunnah before Shaykh Al-Albaani on the
> Earth. This statement is available on the audio
> Fear Allah and prepare for tomorrow CD number 5.

Kadhib, This is a lie! I said he reestablished (revived) the Sunnah upon the earth just as the A'imatud-Da`wah did, the scholars who benefited from Sheikh Muahammad bin Abdul-Wahhaab (rahimahum Allaah); they revived Tawheed in their time. In their time, the A'imatud-Da`wah were accused of bringing a new version of Islaam and this was from the enemies of Tawheed and the Sunnah.

This does not mean no one preceded Sheikh al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah) but there is no doubt he is from the revivers of the Sunnah just like sheikh Sheikh Bin Baz (rahimahullaah) and Sheikh Muhammad ibn Saalih ibn `Uthaimeen (rahimahullaah) did. Likewise, in the each century the deen is revived as a whole as the saying of the Messenger (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam):

"Indeed Allaah will send at the head of every century those who revive for the Ummah the affair of its Deen" (Saheeh Sunan Abu Dawud).

I mentioned this hadeeth on the cd in that context so where is the justice and SIDQ (honesty) with you? It is clear Abu Fajr seems to have a lot of time to waste and fabricate lies.

There were many scholars who continued to revive the Sunnah in every generation, walillaahil-amd. And this according to Abu Fajr is supposed to mean there was no Sunnah before Sheikh al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah)! This shows his hatred for his Muslim brother that he resorts to lying upon him. Allaah is sufficient for me over his lies.

Abu Fajr said:

> 8: He causes friction between the brothers and claiming that if they
> advise one to go to study in Dammaaj it will harm him. A couple
> brothers from West London Masjid As Sunnah has witnessed this
> statement from him. Also the brother Abdulilah sent an email to the
> moderator of the Yahoo group Salafi methodology on the date February
> 16, 2010 requesting from him to stop
> distributing my emails.

It is strange that throughout this tirade, Abu Fajr has never mentioned his narrators from 'Masjid as-Sunnah' - how is anyone to verify his claims without a chain of narration. What is it that he fears? Or are these mere invention?

As for warning against your emails then yes of-course I do - until you repent for the harm you've caused.

Your affair is known to Sheikh Rabee' ibn Haadee, Sheikh Ubayd al-Jaabiree and Sheikh Abdullah al-Bukhaaree, and I doubt whether you have ever met any of them. They know about you for entering fitnah and you are a fitnah-maker and well-known amongst the salafees in the East and West for that. The Salafi Masjids and Maraakiz in the UK know about your mischeif, alhamdulillaah so as to remain safe from you. And this is not through myself, but rather because they have recognised your jahl, your youthfulness, you venom and you hatred for of ahlul-`ilm, or at least some of them.

So is this the real reason for this slander and false accusations, that I warn against your emails? Is this personal? Are you trying to use the deen for your own personal desires? This email of yours is proof as to why others shouldn't read your emails. You narrate without an isnaad (chain of narration) you have not mentioned one narrator for the 14 points designed to ignite fitnah amongst Ahlus-Sunnah? Majhooloon (Unknown narrators) are a reason for narrations to be rejected.

You don't know the affair in Masjid as-Sunnah West London, and their administration is free of you - you are ignorant of the different sittings we had with brothers to keep away from fitnah and continue studying the deen for that is what will benefit and alhamdulillaah, they are a witness to this.

Abu Fajr said:

> 9: He claims that the students from Yemen are fitnah makers, while he
> was the first to introduce the Fitnah of Yemen to many places in
> Britain. Many  Brothers from West London's Masjid Sunnah have witnessed this
> from him.

Kadhib, A`oodhu billaah from such lies. There are brothers who came back from Yemen who are, mashaallaah, are not like you and just wanted to benefit and we have a GOOD RELATIONSHIP with them.

After Sheikh Rabee' ibn Haadee had spoken about not entering it, we have all taken his advice not like you, O Aba Fujoor, you have been advised on numerous occasions. Remember, I have not written anything on the affairs of Yemen, whereas your emails on this fitnah have gone everywhere in the past year or two from day one of the fitnah, where is your wisdom and justice in what you claim?!

Abu Fajr said:

> 10:When he describes Shaykh Yahya Al-Hajoori, he describes him by
> saying "Yahya" in many of his gatherings (as we know this is the way
> the people of desires refer to him). Also he indirectly calls Shaykh
> Yahya bad names, then sends it out in email form, showing no
> respect for the Shaykh. His indirect sayings are available on

So you can see inside my heart? Quote to me what bad statements I made, fear Allaah and speak the truth. The brothers in Masjid as-Sunnah are a proof against you on numerous times that I hav

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. Abdulilah Rabah Lahmami (Al Madeenah, S. Arabia)
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The Feeble Response of Abu Fujoor al-Kanadi

Instead of showing sidq and honesty and humbling himself in the face of his errors, Abu Fujoor persists in his haughtiness, may Allaah guide him.

Here I will mention some points from his response to the above - and you, respected reader, can clearly see his false attachment to knowledge and it's people.

Abu Fujoor states in his response to the above article:

1: You are still trying to deny the fact that you were warning against
Damaaj, Many of the brothers are shocked of you denying that while
they have witnessed it from you many times, AllahMusta'aan...

3: Many brothers who have witnesses it proofread it and approved it so
that whcih was narratted on  Shaykh Waseeallah's is Thaabit (saheeh)

"Many of the brothers"? "Many brothers"?

Who are they? Name them? You expect people to accept narrations whithout an isnaad? Sufyaan ath-Thawree said: "Indeed the isnaad is the weapon of the believer, so if he has no weapon then with what will he fight."

So where is your isnaad with which you fight, Abaa Fajoor. You make narrations authentic based upon your desires and you speak against people based upon whether they agree with your whims - You expect us to accept your narrators without scrutiny? Who are they so we may verify their condition and verify their statements.

I have already said above that I conveyed what Shaikh `Ubaid said, i.e. that he did not approve of Shaikh Yahyah; and then I took the advice of Shaikh Rabee'.

4: The context of your Kalaam regarding Shaykh Al Abaani is proof to
what you meant and we all know you are not speaking to English
speakers with technical terms of science hadeeth that they do not
...6: You can not deny it , there are too many witnesses

I don't know exactly what you are trying to say here, but I have presented my proofs above for the usage of term hujjah for a great scholar.

"...technical terms of science hadeeth that they do not
understand..."? You really have a nerve Abaa Fujoor. You talk of the sciences of hadeeth, yet you provide not even one chain of narration from these "too many witnesses" throughout the UK who are informing you - I demand you name them so we may verify. You misquote me even from my recorded audios (!), you are not precise (in fact not even close), you fabricate narrations, and then you talk of the sciences of hadeeth, you've got nerve! - even the new brother to Salafiyah can see through you, I am sure.

Abu Fujoor then persists in talking about hadeeth sciences, with blantant disregard and disprespect:

2: Many Bid'ah and crazy statements have came from fabricated and weak hadeeths , if you have studied some science of Hadeeth and understand
it you would have known that the narration that you mentioned is
Munkar the Scholars of Hadeeth have criticized ,due that narration
being in opposition to the rest of the chains and wordings.

You are referring here to what I said above, "Sunan al-Baihaqi which is hasan...And its isnaad is hasan; Abdul-Waahid bin Hamza being sadooq, and all the rest of the narrators in the chain are thiqaat or trustworthy." So it is the likes of this that you refer to as 'crazy'? Where is your adab in ikhtilaaf (manners of differing)? The greatest Muhaddith of this era, Shaikh Al-Albaanee, stated that this hadeeth is hasan in his Ahkaam al-Janaa'iz! If another 'aalim disagrees, then we don't show disrespect or use foul statements - we look at the proofs, analyse the chains and narrators with the help of our scholars.

There is something seriously wrong with you brother - humble yourself, again I say: humble yourself and know your level.

Abu Fujoor said:

7:The statement is obvious that " Shaykh Al Abaani reestablished the
Sunnah in the Earth" , almost everyone knows that is a big mistake...

Hold on! In your orginal attack on me you claimed that I had said: "There was no Sunnah before Shaykh Al-Albaani on the Earth"!! And now you've changed your statement. So let me get this right, in your eyes:

"Shaikh al-Albaanee re-established the Sunnah upon the earth" equals to and is the same as: "There was no Sunnah before Shaykh Al-Albaani on the Earth"?!

Are you seriously trying to convince the reader of that? I actually said: "Shaikh al-Albaanee re-established the Sunnah upon the earth", meaning he revived it and was a Mujaddid. Allaah is a witness, that this is what my words mean. Re-establish Sunnah DOES NOT mean that there was NO Sunnah on the earth. Just to clarify your poor english, feeble understanding and evil suspicions. Here is the English language dictionary and thesaurus definition:

"Reestablish: To establish anew, to restore, bring back into original existence, to restore to a previous state, to establish something again."

So what do you have to say now, Abaa Fajoor - will you still persist in your nonsense, or do you wish to re-define the English language?

There rest of your points are just repeating the fact that you heard and that heard and that you heard... no names, no verification, no authenticity. Remember you said "many", so I want to know the many from Masjid as-Sunnah, and the many from Birmingham and from Cardiff and Manchester.

Abu Fajoor said in finality:

just denying mostly everything that was mentioned is only make you look like a liar..

On the contrary, young man, think again and reflect. I am ready to show mercy, and our Lord is the Most Merciful, but how can I help you if you persist in slandering me, misquoting my words, talking ill of me. Worst still what you say about our scholars. Even in this response look at your arrogance and belittlement of ash-Shaikh al-Allaamah Ubaid al-Jaabiree:

First of All I do not care what Shaykh Ubayd says about me he has already spoken really ill of many of the students of Shaykh Yahya and calling them bad names.

Have you no shame Abu Fajr, may Allaah guide you! Do you not know that the flesh of the Scholars is poisonous. Even if they criticise each other, then why do feel the need to become fanatical and partisan; you attack the honour of the Shaikh belittle him - Shaikh Ubaid is nearly seventy years old, an Aalim, a teacher, like a father, a person of fatwa and fiqh - and you miskeen, just out of your teens speak ill of him. He was teaching in the capacity of a scholar before you were born.

So where now is your following of the advice of Shaikh Rabee' al-Madkhalee, who shows honour and love for his brother Shaikh Ubaid al-Jaabiree. Shame on you Aba Fajr... shame on you. I fear for you akhee, I really do.

Alhamdulillaahilladhee afaanee mimmabtalaaka bihi!

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     All the praise and thanks is for Allah the Lord of the Heavens and the Earth,the Master and the Creator of all things. May the peace and blessings be upon all the Prophets and Messengers whom were sent as a guide for mankind,beginning with Adam and ending with Muhammad as the last Prophet and Messenger.

     Al-humdullah Allah has blessed me to visit many of the Salafi masjids and centers in the my visit there with Abul-Hasan Malik,and by Allah there wasn't a time when our brother Abdulillah's name was mention except that it was connected with good and all praise and thanks is for Allah. We have witnessed over the past few years some of the youth having a general disrespect to those who have proceeded them in age,knowledge and sometimes acceptance of Islam,to the point they don't distinguish between waging war against the people of innovation from waging war against the people of the correct methodology.

     So NEVER will we remain silent on falsehood as it was said  " He who speaks falsehood is a talking DEVIL. And he who is silent when it comes to the truth is a tongueless DEVIL." So we here from the Salafi masjids of Philadelphia { Germantown,Muqbil,Ahlul-Hadeeth and masjid Muhammad Abdul-Wahab of N.J } are behind our brother Abdulillah in his good he has done and beg Allah the Most High to forgive him of his shortcomings and mistakes.

Love for Ahlus-Sunnah wa Hadeeth Aboo Zaahid

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. Abdulilah Rabah Lahmami (Al Madeenah, S. Arabia)
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Reply 3
Abu Fajr = "Unknown" narrators = Abu Fujoor Liar and Self-confessed Pretender

Abu Fajr has replied a 2nd time after his false accusations and still not one narrator! Not one! He ends his twisting of words with :

"Lastly I was pretending to you that I could not respond to your rads"

This is what the Raafidah do, they lie about what they are doing. How can he be trusted? Maybe all the rudood he has written maybe he was only pretending throughout not just the second?  That is why I leave him to Allaah. Not worth the trouble after this except that he is known for lying, deceivingı exposed.

If you read any dictionary pretending means: "To claim or assert falsely, to fantasize, to make believe, counterfeit, fake etc" You're a fake and you just said it!

Alhamdulillaah, it came from his mouth that he is a liar falsely accusing his Muslim brother and others so there is no need to reply to a pretender as he wastes people's time after this. Carry on pretending and live your life of make believe!

Sheikh Rabee' ibn Haadi al-Madhkhali was asked about a liar and he said donıt accept from him hadeeth, nor knowledge, nothing for lying is a sign of his hypocrisy.

Sheikh Muhammad ibn Haadi al-Madkhali after quoting him Abu Fajrıs foolish statements said the people like you (Abu Fajr) who spread fitnah like this is a reason for their [falling into] fitnah. (2nd April after salaatul Ishaa).

So if news disparaging someone becomes widespread is that enough for it to be accepted? So you as a proof that "many brothers say" as if to say that is a 'hujjah' upon me. You cannot be seriously asserting that just because many uknown people are saying something, that becomes a proof in the deen?! What happened to your understanding in the Science of Hadeeth? O pretender!

Sheikh Rabee' ibn Haadi Al-Madhkhali taught us in the Shareeıah class over 8/9 years ago in Makkah that any news disparaging someone who is known for the Sunnah then proof must be established for it to be authenticated as is the way of Ahlul Hadeeth, otherwise people will get away with slanders and lies.

When the slander about `Aishah was spread did that make it authentic just because it spread far and wide and it became 'well known' amongst the hypocrites? No, this is a lesson from Allaah not to spread lies and to ascertain the news before narrating it if it is concerning a person of Sunnah, which you don't do. Where is your understanding of hadeeth science - and you think the ummah is on your shoulders. You can't even verify a narration that is munkar.

The Prophet sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam said:

(( البيِّنَةُ على المُدَّعي ، اليمينُ على المدَّعى عليه))

"The proof should be brought from the one claiming something against another and the other should swear it is not true."
(Saheeh Sunan Tirmidhee 1341 authenticated by Sheikh al-Albaani rahimahullaah)

Imam Tirmidhee rahimahullaah also said this hadeeth is hasan Saheeh and the scholars amongst the companions used to put it into practice.

Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali rahimahullaah said:

وهو من لا حُجَّةَ له سوى الدَّعوى

"And he is the one who has no proof except claims."

I swear by Allaah, the Lord of the heavens and the earth, you have lied, slandered and deceived regarding these points. Who will ever believe you after this?

Ibn Hibaan mentions in his Saheeh, a section regarding those whose 'adaalah (position of being just) as being criticized for the following qualities:


1.       Sinner

2.       Liar

3.       Innovator

4.       Mujnoon (insane).

Based on this your narrations are rejected because you are known to be a sinner and a liar. Simply an open liar narrating everything you hear. The more you write the worse you look.

For a narration to be accepted the narrator must be known to be just and truthful.

Sheikh Dr. Abdullaah al-Bukhaari, in his "Nukhbatul-Fikr" class taught us the importance of being truthful when narrating and he mentioned the following benefit:

Imam Maalik rahimahullaah said:

"Knowledge is not taken from four and is taken from other than them

1.       Knowledge is not taken from a person of desires who calls the people to desires

2.       Nor from a foolish person who openly displays his foolishness even if he is from those who narrate the most

3.       Nor from a man who lies regarding the speech of the people even though you don't accuse him of lying about the Messenger sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam.

4.       Nor from a man who has virtue and worship but he doesn't know what he is saying.." (Al-Kifayah fi Ilm Riwaayah of Khateeb al-Bagdaadi Vol2: p.31)

Abdullaah ibn Mubaarak (rahimahullaah) was asked about the 'adalah (a person being just) and he said whoever has five traits - (from them is) "He doesn't lie." [Khabar ath-Thaabit lilhayaani vol1 p.17]

The last time someone accused another salafi brother in front of Sheikh Rabee' ibn Haadi Al-Madhkhali, the Sheikh said to him: "Where's your proof?" When the brother failed to bring it, Sheikh Rabee' ibn Haadi Al-Makhali said to the accuser: "You are sick, you need the hospital!"

Ahlu Sunnah speak with an authentic Isnaad (chain of narration). You haven't even brought the isnaad? I leave you to Allaah. You will not get away with it inshaallah. The honour of a Muslim is sacred.

Abu Fujoor again repeats his lie, saying that I (Abdulilah): "...mentioned that word companions was a slip of the tongue while it was really clear on the tape by him saying 'and then some of the companions' Make tawbah for accusing the companions..." - so he again asserts that I did not correct myself and he persists a 3rd time with this false claim!

Here is the link for the whole world to see that you Abu Fajr are a liar and a persistent liar who doesn't check what he narrates:

See CD number 5 and see that I did not even finish the word "companions" I only said "compa.." then I corrected myself.  Alhamdulilaah, you have been defeated for all the lies that the whole world can see but maybe you were just pretending!  

I asked our Sheikh `Abdul-Muhsin al-`Abbad today (4th April 2010) after Salaatul Zuhr:

"O Sheikh is there a problem with saying that in times of fitnah we should return to the major scholars?"  The sheikh replied: "No, rather, this is a must for they are the ones who will bring solutions to the problems." You have been exposed here too! O pretender! For me the truth, for you your world of make believe!

As for Sheikh Wasiy'ullaah then he told me on the phone that those who lie against me in that sitting then these are devilish acts.

As for the issue of Hujjah then I myself returned to the Cd number 5 to see if you quoted properly and I realized that youıre a bigger liar than before. O Reader look to the context of when I used it in the following exact quote from the CD 5: I said Sheikh al-Albaani was a:

"Hujjah in this time in the masjid in Makkah and Madinah his name is mentioned in the lectures in the study circles of many of the ulamaa for example 2 weeks ago when sheikh Sulaiman was teaching kitaabul-fitan from Saheeh Muslim in each dars he would mention Sheikh Albaaniıs name more than fifteen times, saying "Sahhahu al-Albaani" (meaning: "Authenticated by Albaani"), or "hasanahul-Albaani", "daıafahu al-Albaani", why? Because Albaani (rahimahullaah), even if some of the innovators dislike him, he stood out sticking to the text Qurıan and Sunnah in the understanding of the salaf."

I used it in the context of hadeeth anyway O Abaa Fujoor! Even though I know Sheikh al-Albaani (rahimahullaah) is a great scholar not just in hadeeth. So what do you have to say now O pretender? O fake one who has been defeated on all counts alhamdulillaah and this is tawfeeq from Allaah that this day had to come where Allaah exposed you and you exposed yourself.

Just as a point of benefit, Sheikh Muhammad ibn Haadi was asked [4th April 2010] about Sheikh al-Albaani (rahimahullaah): "Can we restrict that he is a Hujja only in hadeeth." The sheikh said "No, he is a hujjah in Hadeeth, in fiqh and what does this mean? It means we can use him when mentioning points of benefit."

You have been exposed here, too. You got the nerve to think you have knowledge! The salaf used to say: "Knowledge is the FEAR OF ALLAAH" (not lying and deceiving). Exposed once again.

Some final points:

That you ask, rather demand from me to retract from taking and conveying the position of Shaikh Ubaid, as I said above: "and this is what I mentioned to those who asked me what Sheikh `Ubayd's stance was 2 years ago", yet I clearly stated also above, that when I asked Shaikh Rabee', he advised all the brothers to stay out of the difficulties that are taking place between the Salafis in Yemen. So I took that stance, so I retracted my stance and took the position of Shaikh Rabee' - is that not obvious? So where is the confusion Abaa Fujoor?

So now let me get this right, we must ALL follow the advice of Shaikh Rabee', which we do, alhamdulillaah - but you are exempt from his advice - it doesn't apply to you? You can blatantly attack and curse the Scholars and the tullaab, because the advices of the scholars don't apply to you?!

So you, O miskeen, not only do you attack Shaikh Ubaid, you curse the Salafis who show him love - is this the advice of Shaikh Rabee'? This is what you sent out an email saying:

"The traits of the fanatics of Shaykh Ubayd.." (Abu Fajr email dated: 12th August 2009 7:43am)

You don't stop there at the title, you continue to say about some of the Salafi brothers and sisters:

" that they remind us of the shi'a (in this trait, not in totality)..."

Dear respected reader, I ask you: Is this the manner in which to address a Scholar or the Salafis who love him? Is this acting upon the advice of Shaikh Rabee'?

Abdulilah Lahmami

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A Reminder to All Those Hasty and Overzealous Youth; Of Those Who Seek After the Faults of Their Elder Brothers In The Name Of Enjoining Good and Forbidding Evil

Narrated AbuBarzah al-Aslami (radiyallaahu-anhu):

'The Prophet (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) said: O community of people, who believed by their tongue, and belief did not enter their hearts, do not back-bite Muslims, and do not search for their faults, for if anyone searches for their faults, Allah will search for his fault, and if Allah searches for the fault of anyone, He disgraces him in his house.' [Abu Daawood]

Narrated Iyad ibn Himar (radiyallaahu-anhu):

'The Prophet (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) said: Allah has revealed to me that you must be humble, so that no one oppresses another and boasts over another.'[Abu Daawood]

Yaa Abaa Fajr! You have oppressed your brother Abdul Ilaah; you have slandered, lied and utilized deceit wal-iyaadho-billaah.  Fear Allaah akhil kareem.
Yaa Abaa Fajr!  You have exceeded the limits in your stances and in your speech, so rectify this affair.  Indeed, Allaah raises and rewards the one who repents and returns to correctness.  We ask Allaah to direct all of us to that which pleases Him and distances us from excess and exaggeration (Aameen)

And seek refuge in Allaah against utilizing your precious youth in seeking after the faults of your brothers.  So fear Allaah and stop this fitnah.  

And Ibn Taymiyyah said:

"It is incumbent upon the one who enjoins good and forbids evil, that his enjoining of good and forbidding evil is for the sake of Allaah, and that his intention is to rectify the affairs of the one he commands towards good and forbids from evil and to establish the proofs.  His intention should not be for seeking leadership for himself, or for his group or to diminish the worth of others."

(Quoted in small risaalah titled: Kun Salafiyyan Alal Jaad-dati, page: 62-63, read by Shaikh Saaleh al Fawzaan; and its introduction was by Shaikh 'Ubaid and Sheikh Ali Naasir al-Faqeehi)

Abu Mu-aawiyyah Abdullaah Bin Abee Bakr Al-Fulaani Al Gambi

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We Are Neither Interested in Your Blameworthy Argumentation, Stunts and Political Games nor That of Others like You

It has been reported in a marfoo hadith in the Sunan that the Messenger (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) said:

'A people do not go astray after being guided, except that they were given to argumentation', then he (sallal-laahu-alayhi-wasallam) recited the ayah: 'They quoted not the above example except for argument. Nay! But they are a quarrelsome people'[Soorah Zukhruf; Ayah: 58] [1]

And some of the Salaf said:

'If Allaah wishes good for a slave, He opens for him a door for (performing) actions and closes the door of argumentation for him; and if Allaah wishes evil for a slave, He closes the door of (performing) actions for him and opens up the door of argumentation for him.'[2]

O Abaa Fajr and company! We are all aware of the advice of the Mashaayikh; we are aware of the advice of Shaikh Rabee and that of Shaikh Abu Usaamah Al-Uthaybee.  If you are a person of Islaah, then follow it and stop the blameworthy argumentation, as you still persist upon falsehood and shopping round for support upon this ugly path of yours.    

The elder brothers are neither in need of your irrational stances nor that of others similar to you.  They are not interested in your shopping round for statements; they are not interested in your stunts and political games aimed at scoring points after your affair has become manifest to the Maraakiz.

Our brother Abdul Ilaah has given enough proofs for you to humble yourself and return to correctness.  The Maraakiz of Salafiyyah are neither interested in your stunts and political games nor that of others similar to you.

The elder brothers are neither interested in the overzealous youth nor people of slander and exaggeration like yourself.

We ask Allaah to protect the Maraakiz of Salafiyyah from the persistent defamers and slanderers, and may He (The Most High) protect us from this irrational and blameworthy youthful zeal and short sightedness of yours.
And may Allaah protect Masjid As-Sunnah from your evil plots and plans, for your aim is to bring about evil suspicion, discord and division.  May Allaah destroy your plan for everyone to see (Aameen).

So fear Allaah O youth! And turn to Him in humility and repentance; we have Centres and Masaajid to maintain with the Help and Assistance of Allaah, so do not be a hinderer of good, as Allaah (The Most High) mentioned (the translation of the meaning of which is):

'And obey not everyone who swears much, and is considered worthless; a slanderer, going about with calumnies, Hinderer of the good, transgressor, sinful'[Soorah Qalam; Ayah: 10-12]

May Allaah guide all of us and unite the hearts.  O turner of the hearts, keep my heart firm upon your religion.

Markazus Salafi Manchester

[1]Hadith reported by Ahmad in his Musnad (5/252, 256] and Tirmidhee in kitaab at-Tafseer; Tafseer Surah Zukhruf (4/180) and he says that it is a hasan saheeh.  

[2]Jaami Bayaan al-Ilm of Ibn Abdul Barr (rahimahullaah) [2/93] | [url=][/url]

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. Abdulilah Rabah Lahmami (Al Madeenah, S. Arabia)
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25-4-1431 AH
8th April 2010 CE

I begin in the name of Allaah the Most Merciful, The Most Kind. Praise be to Allaah, The Lord of al creation and i testify to His Oneness and peace and blessings be upon the Messenger of Allaah sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam:

I asked Sheikh Rabee' ibn Haadi al-Madhkhali, this Abu Fajr Abdulf-attah al-Canadi claims you spoke ill of me?

The sheikh got angry and said "Who said this?" I said Abu Fajr Abdulfattah al-Canadi 'studying' in Dammaaj.

The Sheikh immediately said: "THIS IS A LIE! LET HIM COME AND PROVE THIS!"

Even the Imam of Jarh wa Ta'deel sees that you lie.  And success is with Allaah over the oppressors.

Alhamdulillaah this was witnessed by Rasheed al-Magrabi (a known student with the sheikh for about ten years) who said put my name down to bear witness to this.

Allaah Akbar! See how Abu Fajr narrates a slander that was being spread without verification! Clumsy Abu Fajr the gatherer of wood at night.

As for restricting the major scholars and using Sheikh Muhammad Bazmool then Sheikh Muhammad Bazmool's context is that one should not say we return to Kibaar Ulama wishing by that REJECTING the truth.

I have never used it in this context - rather I say we return to the elder scholars in accepting the truth not in rejecting the truth!

This is the same confusion we refuted Ma'rabi's followers with. Who can reject the truth when it comes?? Even from a younger scholar? So your twisting of words here is evident.  

In fact, I remember Sheikh Rabee' came to Madinah and delivered a lecture in Masjid Qubaa about 3 years ago and he said if a young student has the truth with him on a matter then we accept it since it is the haq we follow.

So that has always been my understanding but going to the elders for their experience and adherence to the truth in times of nawaazil and fitnah is what I meant. Clear as daylight.

A man is not sane at all if he needs proof to say it is daytime during the day!

Sheikh Rabee' also said after quoting him your words and my reply to you on this, he said where is the contradiction? So Abu Fajr it is again your deception and playing with words, and pretending  that you will answer for in front of Allaah if you don't make tawbah.

But you are arrogant and arrogance is concealing the truth and not accepting it even if others have brought it because you are proud and haughty. Two evil traits: arrogance and lying you have. They don't prosper at all. I read all of these lies to Sheikh Rabee' - mashaallaah with my answers.

Alhamdulillaah, it is clear the sheikh does not like arrogant liars.
As for the narrators you mentioned, then you mentioned  narrators for a matter which I have already agreed to and retracted. Anyway, they (your narrators) knew my position  changed from Sheikh Ubayd's to Sheikh Rabee' right after the initial sitting with them.  Some of them even called me to take them around in Madinah thereafter to the scholars! So don't deceive the people.  

Sheikh Rabee' ibn Haadi al-Madkhali our teacher said give sallam to Sheikh Ubayd al-Jaabiree and this too is against you for you show no respect to Sheikh Ubayd!

Abdulilah Lahmami

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Bismillaah was salaatu was salaamu ıalaa rasoolillaah wa baıad;

Assalaamuıalaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu,

Dear readers,

After having looked into the false, futile and sick attacks of Abu Fujoor on our dear and noble brother Abdulilah Lahmami, we felt obliged to say a few words in our brotherıs defence as follows;

Our brother Abdulilah Lahmami (amongst others, particularly brothers from Maktabah Salafiyyah - Abu Khadeejah, Abu Hakeem, Abu Iyyaad, Hasan as-Somali, Abu Junaid, Abu Idrees, Abu Fudayl and others) have been helping us to  establish daıwatus-salafiyyah in our town (Slough) for about 14 years.  Today we have a masjid, a school, a community centre.  Today we have a place where sunnah is made apparent and bidıah is refuted.  Tawheed is established and shirk is rebutted.  We are clear upon the salafi manhaj, wal-hamdulillaah.  And who is better in speech than the one who calls to Allaah?

We have met and sought guidance from Shaykh Rabeeı, Shaykh Muhammed al-Banna (rahimahullaah), Shaykh ıUbayd al-Jaabiree, Shaykh Muhammed ibn Haadee, Shaykh Abdullaah al-Bukhari and many others through our brother Abdulilah (may Allaah preserve them all).  He has connected us to ahlul ıilm and not to himself, never!

Last year when we went to Makkah and wanted to see Shaykh Rabeeı, even though the Shaykh was ill and wasnıt seeing anyone, due to our brother Abdulilah the Shaykh invited us to his house. Then the Shaykh asked our brother Abdulilah to read to us one of his latest books on refutation of ahlul bidıah and when we sought Shaykhıs permission to leave he insisted that we stay and have a meal with him as we were his and Abdulilahıs guests.

Some of the stuff we have read from this miskeen (Abu Fujoor) are blatant lies such as warning against Dammaaj or speaking ill of Shaykh Yahyaa.

Abu Fujoor also accused our brother of speaking ill of the sahabah, and refuge is sought even from having such evil thoughts.  We have been called to the adherence of the way and fahm of the sahabah by our brother Abdulilah every time we have sat down with him in the last 14 years.  There are hundreds of lectures by Abdulilah where he has said contrary to this false and filthy accusation, so how dare this sick individual (Abu Fujoor) has the audacity to talk about him in this manner?

Whatıs worse is that the likes of Abu Fujoor have audiences.  Indeed the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahuıalaihi wasallam) said that ıSouls are gathered armiesı.  And Imaam Maalik said that people are like birds, crows go with crows... Unfortunately evil and evil doers exist and none support them except those who have sick hearts and they are gathered together due to their sickness.  So none will pay attention to the kalaam of Abu Fujoor except the one who has some sort of sickness - and refuge is sought with Allaah from such misguidance.

We know the station of our brother with those who are above us (i.e. the scholars and their students), so even though our brother Abdulilah is in no need of all what we have said, we wanted to share with you what we have seen from our brother and none are praised beyond their level.

May Allaah guide us and all those who have sound hearts and seek the truth.

We say to the likes of Abu Fujoor as Shaykh Abdul Muhsin al-'Abbaad (haafidhahullaah) said while refuting the khawaarij "clouds are not harmed by the barking of the dogs".

And Allaah knows best.

Wassalaamuıalaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu

Shurah, Markaz Muıaadh bin Jabal
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All praise due to  Allāh, Lord of everything in existence; and the peace and blessings of Allāh be upon the Messenger Muhammad, his family, his disciples and those who follow them until the establishment of the Final Hour.

We advise our Salafi brothers and sisters around the world to pay no attention to the attacks being made over the internet (by the spreading of emails or writing upon forums) against our noble and well-known brother Abdulilaah Lahmami, who is known to us for his adherence to the Kitaab, Sunnah and the way of the Salaf. He is known amongst the Scholars in Madinah for his striving in the pursuit of knowledge, from them Shaikh Ubaid al-Jaabiree, Shaikh Muhammad ibn Haadee, Shaikh Muhammad al-Aqeel, and Shaikh Abdullaah al-Bukhaaree. He is also well-known to Shaikh Rabee' al-Madkhalee and was very close to Shaikh Muhammad al-Banna (rahimahullaah) when he was alive. And we can bear witness to this because he has been with many of us when visiting and sitting with these shaikhs.

Many of us have known him for nearly twenty years in the field of da'wah and as a companion. He is well-known amongst the Salafis in the United Kingdom for his aid and assistance in the da'wah throughout the various Salafi Mosques and Centres - and we do not praise anyone above Allaah.

He is regularly invited to the various conferences and seminars alongside Abu Hakeem, Abu Khadeejah, Hasan as-Somaalee, Abu Idrees, Abu Abdur Rahmaan Uwais, Abu Ishaaq Nadeem and others - and all of these brothers speak well of him. He has lectured at the most well-known Salafi Centres in the UK: Salafi Publications (Birmingham), Masjid as-Sunnah (West London), Markaz Mu'aadh bin Jabal (Slough), al-Markaz as-Salafi (Manchester), Markaz al-Baseerah (Bradford), also the various da'wah efforts in Leeds, East London, North London, Cardiff in Wales, Stoke-on-Trent to name several. He has recently been invited by the brothers at TROID in Canada to participate in a conference alongside Abul-Hasan Maalik, Hasan As-Somaalee, Abu Hakeem and Abu Khadeejah.

So we do not recognize the negative descriptions and are not pleased that
our brother is being accused of them. Indeed we regard these accusations to be slanderous. Over the last several days, we have seen the accusations made against Abdulilaah and have looked at the responses and have researched many of the issues ourselves so as not defend our brother just
because we have known him for many years, even though we did not doubt his
integrity and honesty. Rather justice required that we investigate the claims.

We do not say that the Scholars, and more so the Salafi students of knowledge from the du'aat cannot err - indeed they can be mistaken occasionally; but gathering hearsay and rumors, without naming sources, with the aim of demolishing the honour of one's Salafi brothers is not to be considered as sincere advice in the least - rather this is mere dishonouring based primarily upon personal differences, vendettas and rumors emanating from unknown sources whose trustworthiness cannot be established.

If any Salafi is shown his errors, in the usool, or in the furoo' or in the affairs of ijtihaad, then it is upon him to correct and rectify that.

Concerning Abdulilaah, till this day, these errors have not been made apparent - so far we have seen fabricated claims for which a person should fear Allaah and fear the meeting with his Lord. And just to give a few examples of these claims, it is alleged against Abdulilaah:

i). "He (Abdulilaah) claims that the Sahaabah, may Allah be pleased with them, had issues where some of them would haste to accuse one another of falling into innovations."

We say: Abdulilaah did not say what is being claimed here, and it not correct that he be accused of something he did not say, nor intend, as is clear from the recording and subsequent reading of the actual ahaadeeth and statements of the scholars such as Ibn Uthaimeen (rahimahullaah). So he should not be asked to make tawbah for that which he did not say, nor intend, let alone that he be refuted.

ii). That Abdulilaah's usage of the term "hujjah" is erroneous for the Imaam, a Mujaddid and the Muhaddith of this era Shaikh Muhammad Naasir ad-Deen al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah).

We hold, in line with the statements of the Salaf for the great Scholars of their times and of later times, then this is an acceptable and permissible term that highlights the immense knowledge of a scholar. The intent is not that these Imaams and likewise Shaikh al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah) himself is equated with revelation. Many hundreds of the Salaf were praised with terms such as: hujjah (a proof), zaahid (one who abstains from the forbidden matters and from the pomp and pleasures of the world), Imaam, memorizer (haafidh), jurist (faqeeh), worshipper ('aabid), Shaikhul-Islaam, etc. These were terms denoting praise and trust in what they had of knowledge, action and conveying of the truth.

Imaam adh-Dhahabee said about the great Imaam al-Mizzee (rahimahullaah): "He was trustworthy (thiqah), a hujjah (a proof), with much knowledge, good manners and behavior, being silent, not speaking much at all, and truthful."

In this context it is clear that these are words of praise for this Imaam that are well-deserved that revolve around his integrity, piety, trustworthiness and knowledge.

Another example is that which al-Haafidh Ibn Hajr stated in at-Taqreeb about Imaam Ahmad bin Hanbal (rahimahullaah): "Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Hanbal ash-Shaibaanee al-Marwazee: one of the Imaams, trustworthy (thiqah), memorizer (haafidh), jurist (faqeeh), hujjah (a proof), he died in 241AH."

So it is from bad suspicion and unnecessary picking of faults that Abdulilaah be commanded with tawbah for saying that which is correct about al-'Allaamah al-Muhaddith al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah) in the context that  he said it and to a predominently Salafi audience he was conveying knowledge to. Indeed it is the youthful, excitable individual who spoke in this matter without grasping it who is the one who should accept his ignorance and offer his regret and apology.

iii). It is claimed against Abdulilaah:

"He (Abdulilaah) claims that there was no Sunnah before Shaykh Al-Albaani on the Earth. This statement is available on the audio, Fear Allah and prepare for tomorrow CD number 5."

This is another fabrication. Abdulilaah did not say what is being claimed here, not even close.

There are other accusations also that seem to have no basis whatsoever. So we ask the one who made these accusations without proof to fear Allaah and to humble himself when the truth is presented to him.

We also believe that there was no need to publicize these 'perceived', yet baseless accusations without verification; and it would have been better if Abdulilaah himself was first contacted, advised and asked for feedback instead of publicizing mistakes that do not exist which results in embarrassment for the accuser, who then refuses to retract and apologize; maybe feeling somewhat humiliated in front of thousands of readers. But he should not feel that he must now continue in his attacks just because he has started them out of fear of being shown to be wrong; nor should he divert people by changing the subject at hand; and he should definitely not allow his soul to be taken, as will occur with all of us, whilst he has oppressed another soul.

It is time that the Salafis were made aware that this type of unbridled and unproven criticism is unacceptable.

It is also of great concern to us that the Scholars are belittled just because they do not agree with the stance of the youthful accuser. We were shocked to read from him: "First of all I do not care what Shaykh Ubayd says about me..." This type of belittlement is unacceptable and shows that the person is not one who should be trusted with the honour of the Scholars. Further accusations of fanaticism to the 'Allaamah Ubaid al-Jaabiree are both untrue and disrespectful.

Another point we wish to highlight is: We do not call to the taqleed of anyone - but we certainly hold that precedence should be given to the greater amongst the scholars, especially in verdicts concerning the nawaazil (those new affairs that befall the people) and in times of tribulation (fitnah). This is something we have learned from the Companions of the Prophet (salallaahu alaihi wassallam) who used to give precedence to their elders whilst still accepting the truth even if it came from someone younger from amongst them - and we have likewise read from our Salaf, such as the companions of Imaam Ahmad (rahimahullaah), who followed in this way; and the well-known Shaikhs of our times are no different in that regard.

We do not support the idea that all of the Scholars are equal in stature and knowledge, rather Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic, has given excellence to some over others in the various fields of knowledge - and this is something attested to by the people of knowledge.

The great calibre of the A'immah of this era such as Ibn Baaz, Ibn Uthaimeen and Al-Abaanee (rahimahumullaah) cannot be denied by anyone, and was attested to by the likes of al-Allaamah al-Faqeeh Saalih al-Fawzaan, al-Allaamah al-Muhaddith Muqbil bin Haadee (rahimahullaah), the Imaam of Jarh wa Ta'deel Rabee' al-Madkhalee, al-Allaamah Abdul-Muhsin al-Abbaad and many others - and this coming from great scholars in their own right.

However, we affirm that the measure and distinguishing factor in any differing is the haqq (i.e. the truth); we measure the strength of a ruling in accordance to the proofs and evidences, even if that comes from someone who is a younger Shaikh or a student of knowledge. This is what we have known from the du'aat and from brother Abdulilaah for many years. We do not restrict the people to one or two Shaikhs and then call everyone to blindly follow them, whether they right or wrong! Indeed the Salafi students of knowledge in the United Kingdom rejected this idea of restriction when it was forced upon them by Abul-Hasan al-Ma'rabee and Saleem al-Hilaalee in 1999. We refused to change our stance even after we were attacked unjustly by al-Ma'rabee, al-Hilaalee and al-Qoosee for refusing to accept this restriction because we knew from our scholars that this restriction to a fixed number of Shaikhs was not from the way of the Salaf, rather it is the truth that is adhered to - and walillaahil-hamd. And Abdulilaah was with us in that stance.

So no attention should be given to the emails and audacious attacks that lead a youth into affairs beyond his ability and then into his own downfall. His early years of hyper-zealousness have led him into fitan that have caused discord, and may Allaah preserve the unity of the Salafis. This is what occurs when zealous youth enter into affairs that should be left to Scholars and the elders.  

So he should fear Allaah, and repent to Him, and keep himself out of affairs that are beyond his capacity. He should learn the adab of ikhtilaaf (i.e. the manners of differing) and not be hasty in passing judgments upon others. He should show greater respect to those who have preceded him knowledge and da'wah, and especially the 'ulamah.

He should study and learn that there are affairs in which the Scholars differ based upon their proofs and evidences that do not necessitate boycotting (hajr) and warning against (tahdheer). There are other affairs in which the Salaf did not differ, and did not tolerate differing. These have been preserved in the books of 'aqeedah and in the statements of the Scholars. So they called to the truth and would establish the proofs and warned against those who had left the ranks of Ahlus-Sunnah by opposing the Straight Path, the way of the Companions (radhi Allaahu 'anhum).

We see and fear that this young man has not grasped these issues with the
precision that is required. It is of course permissible to correct
others from Ahlus-Sunnah who are mistaken in their ijtihaads and fatawa
(because the truth is one and not numerous); but we maintain their honor,
and do not expel them from Ahlus-Sunnah and we do not treat them as if they were innovators and deviants.

We do not expose the sins of others who are trying to conceal them, and Allaah's refuge is sought, for there is not one of us who is free from error - and we ask Allaah to conceal our sins and shortcomings. We do not spy on each other, nor rejoice when our Salafi brothers and sisters fall into error, rather we mut wish for them that which we wish for ourselves, i.e. rectification and correction. We certainly do not "pretend", lie and deceive to "expose" and then condemn our Salafi brothers!

So this young brother needs to learn the foundations of the Salafi manhaj, and those affairs that remove a person from Salafiyyah, and which oppositions to Sunnah necessitate tahazzub and hizbiyyah as he is clearly unaware of the principles related to this.

It seems that this young brother despises some of his elder Salafi brothers based upon the exaggeration of his own self-worth, and Allaah's refuge is sought from self-delusion. His statements cause rancour between the Salafis even in genuine issues of ijtihaad from the Scholars. The brothers in the United Kingdom have seen how his emails have sown mistrust between several younger brothers who read some of his emails.

We have spent the last year and more preventing the disputes of Yemen
spilling over into the West - this we have done upon the advice of Shaikh Rabee' al-Madkhalee and other Shaikhs - we have taken a stance of generally speaking well of all the Mashayakh of Salafiyyah, without warning against any of them or speaking ill of them.

So this young brother, who claims to be spreading the advice of Shaikh Rabee', yet he has persistently and continuously insisted upon spreading these disputes occurring in Yemen amongst the Muslims of the West; and that is certainly not the advice of Shaikh Rabee' - so this is misleading. If he believes Shaikh Rabee' is wrong in his advice and takes the stance that he is somehow obliged to convey the refutations he has, then he should make that clear rather than feigning adherence to the advice to the advice of Shaikh Rabee' (hafidhahullaah).

In the meantime our advice is that we pay no attention to the emails of
this youthful brother who has not reached maturity in attaining or conveying knowledge - many of his emails and posts cause discord amongst the ranks of the Salafis and they disregard the advice of many of the Scholars, as well as containing erroneous conclusions.

May Allaah give us security from fitan. And all praise is due to Allaah, Lord of the worlds.


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Abu Fujoor Al-Haasid Al-kanadi Uses Saleem Hilaali As Proof Against SPUBS

Allaah said:

'So stand (ask Allah to make) you (Muhammad) firm and straight (on the religion of Islamic Monotheism) as you are commanded and those (your companions) who turn in repentance (unto Allah) with you, and transgress not (Allah's legal limits). Verily, He is All-Seer of what you do.'
[Hud: 112]

'And transgress not (Allah's legal limits)'

Shaikh Rabee (hafidha-hullaah) said about this ayah:

'At-tugh-yaan' is to exceed the limits.  'And transgress not (Allaah'ss legal limits)'; neither by way of ghuluww (excess/extremism) in the religion nor in other than it, nor by way of oppression.  So in this is a combat against all types of transgression pertaining to oppression and going beyond bounds. [Source: Ath-Thabaat Alas Sunnah;page;15-16]

Ya Abaa Fujoor Al-Haasid Al Kanadi! What is wrong with you?  Do you not realize the fact that you are a transgressor and a liar in the sight of the maraakiz of Salafiyyah after Abdul Ilaah exposed your evil state of affairs?  

Your Hasad and excess has led you to utter evil and falsehood against Al-Allaama Ubayd Bin Abdillaah Al-Jaabiriy (hafidha-hullaah).  However, all your evil efforts in attempting to belittle the sheikh has failed, as the people who know him better than you and your likes have informed the ummah of the sheikhıs status in the sight of ahlul ilm.  

Recommendation For Shaikh Ubaid Even Though The People Of Hasad And Excess May Detest It

Shaikh Saaleh As-Suhaymi said:

'Shaikh Ubaid is from the best of the mashaa-yikh, the students of knowledge and the Rabbaani scholars; those who have blessed efforts in disseminating the true manhaj, the manhaj of the salafus saaleh in which there is neither excessiveness nor negligence.  

This is a true statement that I state, seeking by it the face of Allaah (Subhaanahu-wata-aalaa).  He is commendable in his knowledge, in his steadfastness and his manners.  This is how I deem him to be and Allaah will (finally) call him to account, and we do not purify anyone above Allaah.  
And do not pay attention to some of the croaking/screaming emanating from some of the ignorant ones, in which is contained defamation and fault finding against this virtuous and respectable Shaikh.  Do not pay attention to the likes of these defamations and fault finding. And this is the Sunnah of Allaah with His creation, indeed the students of knowledge and the scholars are envied, especially on the part of some of the ignorant ones who do not possess a criterion in knowing the true Manhajus salafi.ıı [Source:


Yaa Abaa Fujoor Al-Haasid Al-Kanadi! Indeed, that which Shaikh Saaleh As-Suhaymi stated above about Shaikh Ubaid is what is witnessed by the Mashaa-yikh upon wasatiyyah, and that which he mentioned against those who revile him is what is witnessed about you and your likes.   May Allaah cure your envious hearts, for indeed whoever utters lies against the people of truthfulness is a liar.

Ali Bin Uthmaan said to Imaam Ahmad:

'Indeed Abu Qataadah used to speak ill of Wakee Bin Jarraah, Eesaa Bin Yuunus and Ibnul Mubaarak'; so Imaam Ahmad said: 'Whoever tell lies about the people of truthfulness, then indeed he is a liar' [Tahdeeb Al-Kamaal 3/472]

Yaa Abaa Fujoor Al-Haasid Al Kanadi! we do not need a liar like yourself to tell us about the people of truthfulness, rather we have been advised to treat your statements and that of your associates in the same manner in which the statements of the sinful liars are treated.

Shaikh Muhammad Aqeel (hafidha-hullaah) stated in his defence of Shaikh Ubaid (hafidha-hullaa):

'It is incumbent upon the student of knowledge to behave towards these (defamations) with the etiquette Allaah has stated in His saying:

'When a faasiq comes to you with news then verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done.'

And I caution them with the saying of the Prophet (sallal-laahu-alahi-wasallam):

'Whoever declares enmity towards my waliy, I have declared war against him' end of quote


     Yaa Abaa Fujoor Al-Haasid Al-Kanadi! As for SPUBS, then indeed Allaah has blessed them with calling to the sunnah and good etiquettes in dealing with the Mashaa-yikh of Ahlus Sunnah, as opposed to the filthy manners employed by you and your likes.
SPUBS benefit the people and the Maraakiz.  They aid the Sunnah and its mashaa-yikh and warn against ahlul bidah without being afflicted with the excess you and your associates have been afflicted with.  Therefore, the statements of those who say that SPUBS have no ilm with them are futile, oppressive and in opposition to reality.  This is a fact known to the Mashaayikh of the Mamlakah (May Allaah preserve it).

Therefore, it is not befitting the Taalib that he allows himself to become overcome by hasad and seeking to nullify that which is witnessed of virtue.

Ponder upon the following story related by Imaam Ibn Abee Haatim in [Al-Jarh Wat-Tadeel 1/12-13] about a debate that took place between Shafiıee and Muhammad Bin Al-Hasan (rahimahumallaah)

Shafi'ee: Who is more knowledgeable about the Qurıaan, our companion (Maalik Bin Anas) or your companion (Abee Haneefah), with an (answer) of impartiality?

Muhammad: yes (i.e. I will answer with impartiality)

Shafiıee: So I implore you by Allaah; who is more knowledgeable about the Qurıaan, our companion (Maalik Bin Anas) or your companion (Abu Haneefah)?
Muhammad: By Allaah, it is your companion (Maalik)

Shafiıee: Who is more knowledgeable about the Sunnah, our companion (Maalik) or your companion (Abu Haneefah)?

Muhammad: By Allaah, it is your companion (Maalik)

Shafiıee: I implore you by Allaah, who is more knowledgeable about the sayings of the companions of the Messenger of Allaah and that of the Mutaqaddimeen, our companion (Maalik) or your companion (Abu Haneefah)?

Muhammad: your companion (Maalik)

Shafiıee: So nothing remains except qiyaas, and there cannot be qiyaas except upon the basis of these affairs; so the one who does not know the usool, then on what basis will he make qiyaas?

     Yaa Abaa Fujoor Al-Haasid Al-Kanadi! Have you seen the truthfulness of our salaf?  They neither have ta-assub nor did they conceal the virtues of their brothers from ahlus sunnah.   Shaikh Ubaid is from the people of islaah and virtue, even though the people of Hasad and excess may detest it.  

Likewise, SPUBS have ilm with them, for they transmit the works of the Imaams of the Sunnah in this time, even though the people of Hasad and excess may detest it.

Recommendation for SPUBS even though the people of Hasad And Excess May Detest It

Shaikh Rabee (hafidhahullaah) was asked:

On Friday, the 25th of June 2010 (14 Rajab 1431H), the following question was posed to the Shaykh al-'Allaamah Rabee' Ibn Haadee al-Madkhalee:

"O Shaykh, as you are aware, there are no scholars in Britain, but is there anyone residing there that you advise us with, who can connect us to the people of knowledge?"

The Shaykh, may Allaah preserve him, mentioned: Our brother Hasan as-Somali (who was present in the gathering), Abu Khadeejah and his companion (Abu Hakeem).

The Shaykh also stressed the importance of them keeping ties with the scholars.

May Allaah reward the Shaykh and protect our brothers who are striving to spread the call of the Sunnah in the West.


Yaa Abaa Fujoor Al-Haasid Al-Kanadi! Present your evidences to Shaikh Rabee and inform him that this recommendation is no longer valid as you have witnessed a change in SPUBSıs manhaj.  If you do not do this, then know that you are a liar, a haasid and a fame seeking evil plotter.

Allaah said:

'Say: "I seek refuge with (Allah) the Lord of the daybreak; From the evil of what He has created; And from the evil of the darkening (night) as it comes with its darkness; (or the moon as it sets or goes away). And from the evil of the witchcrafts when they blow in the knots; And from the evil of the envier when he envies.' [Soorah Naas]

Yaa Abaa Fujoor Al-Haasid Al-Kanadi! Abandon this ghluww, ta-assub, hasad  ta-ajjub and love of leadership, for these are not from the signs of wellbeing, rather they are from the sings of wretchedness.  Imaam Ibnul Qayyim (rahimahullaah) mentioned in [Al-Fawaa-id:page:228]

The Signs Of Wellbeing:

And from the signs of wellbeing and success, is that whenever the slave is increased in his knowledge, he increases in humility and mercy; and whenever he is increased in action, he increases in his fear and caution; And whenever his age is increased, he decreases in eagerness; and whenever he is increased in wealth, he increases in his generosity and spending; and whenever his status and honour is increased, he increases in coming close to the people, in fulfilling their needs and being humble in (their presence).

The Signs Of Wretchedness:

And the signs of wretchedness are:

Whenever he is increased in knowledge, he increases in pride and haughtiness; and whenever he is increased in actions, he increases in his boasting, mockery of the people and having a good opinion of himself; and whenever he is increased in his status and honour, he increases in pride and haughtiness.

These affairs of (wellbeing and wretchedness) are a trial and a test from Allaah, by which He puts His slaves to trial.  He brings about wellbeing and wretchedness to a people by way of these affairs.

Yaa Abaa Fujoor Al-Haasid Al-Kanadi! Take a lesson from the ghuluww that afflicted Fawzi al-Bahrayni, Faaleh Al-Harbi and his likes before it is too late.  Indeed, Allaah (The Most High) loves that His slaves repent to Him and He pardons much.

We ask Allaah to protect this dawah from the transgressions, lies and hatred of Abu Fujoor and his associates; and we ask Him (The Most High) to protect this dawah from the deadly Tasaahul that has afflicted Jamiat Ahle Hadeeth UK and their associates.

And Allaah knows best

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Shaikh Muhammad Bin Haadee clarifies some affairs about saleem al-hilaali

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In Defense of Spubs and the Maraakiz against Some of the False Accusations of Abu Fujoor and Associates

Shaikh Said:

Their Criticisms Are Scattered; They Only Wish That You Free Yourselves From Shaikh Ubaid.  So Behave As If You Did Not See or Hear Their Speech

Allaah (The Most High) said:

''O you who believe! Keep your duty to Allah and fear Him, and speak (always) the truth.   He will direct you to do righteous good deeds and will forgive you your sins. And whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger he has indeed achieved a great achievement (i.e. he will be saved from the Hell-fire and made to enter Paradise).''[Soorah Ahzaab: Ayah: 70-71]

        Yaa Abaa Fujoor Al-Haasid Al-Kanadi! It has become common knowledge to the Maraakiz that you are one deprived of justice and fairness, rather the incident that occurred between you and Abdul Ilaah is clear proof that you are a persistent transgressor.  However, what is disturbing is that you transgress whilst claiming to be upon the path of enjoining good and forbidding evil by way of Jarh.  Shaikhul Islaam Ibnu Taymiyyah (rahimahullaah) said:

''The one who speaks in that (i.e. in the issues of Jarh Wat Tadeel) with knowledge must have a correct intention.  If he were to speak truth with the intention of being raised in the earth or to cause corruption, then indeed his station is that of one who fights in the name of passion and show off.  And if he speaks for the sake of Allaah, being sincere to Him in the religion, then he is from the Mujaahideen in the path of Allaah; from the inheritors of the Prophets and the successors of the Messengers' [Majmoo Al-Fataawaa: 28/235]

        Yaa Abaa Fujoor Al-Haasid Al-Kanadi! Indeed, you and your associates are far removed from the etiquettes employed in the affair of enjoining good and forbidding evil.  How can this not be the case when even an elderly scholar like Shaikh Ubaid is not spared of your evil, filthy, disgraceful and false accusations?  Imaam Ibnul Qayyim (rahimahullaah) said:

'Allaah loves fairness; rather it is the most excellent ornament a man decorates himself with, particularly with regards to the one who takes it upon himself to make judgements on the statements (of the scholars) and the schools of thought.  Indeed, Allaah (The Most High) said: 'And I (Muhammad) am commanded to do justice among you'' [Shoorah: Ayah:15].  So justice is what the inheritors of the Prophets pronounce between the groups; and not a single one of them is inclined towards one closer to him, or someone from his school of thought, group or follower; rather the truth is what he seeks.  He traverses upon where it traverses and descends upon where it descends; and taking as their religion, the religion of justice and fairness'' [Elaam Muwaqqi-een: 4/94]

Imaam Sadi (rahimahullaah) said:

'One is not raised except through justice and fulfilment of (agreements/ obligations; and one is not lowered, except through oppression, committing outrage and treachery'[Wujoob At-Taıaawun Bainal Muslimeen: page: 13]

          Yaa Abaa Fujoor Al-Haasid Al kanadi! Ponder upon the above statements of our Imaams and ask Allaah to include you amongst those people whom Allaah has given the tawfeeq to decorate themselves with truthfulness and justice.

Charity Organizations

         Yaa Abaa Fujoor Al-Haasid Al-Kanadi! How are you misled in your criticisms against the charity organizations set up by the Maraakiz of salafiyyah in the west?  Is there a resemblance between the hizbi charity organizations aimed at spreading hizbiyyah and those set up by the Maraakiz in the West whilst propagating the Sunnah and defending its ulama.  

         Yaa Abaa Fujoor Al-Haasid Al-Kanadi! You and your associates are either very ignorant of the purpose for which the Maraakiz of Salafiyyah are registered as charities or that you have once again being overcome by ignorance, haste and hasad.

Camping Trips:

         Yaa Abaa Fujoor Al-Haasid Al-Kanadi! How are you misled in your criticisms against the camping trips organized by the salafis for their children?  Can you not see the clear distinction between the camping trips organized by the salafis for their children for the purpose of having permissible fun and engagement in beneficial physical activities, as opposed to the camping trips organized by the organizations of tahazzub which they name dawah camps?!

         Yaa Abaa Fujoor Al-Haasid Al-Kanadi! Are you blind, deaf and dumb to this clear distinction?  Indeed, Shaytaan (the enemy of bani Aadam) has enticed you with haste, hatred, jahl, ghuluww fil ash-khaas, so that you are blinded from reality in these affairs.

Indeed, Shaikhul Islaam Ibnu Taymiyyah (rahimahullaah) said:

'The person must have comprehensive fundamental principles to which he refers the minor affairs, so that he can speak with knowledge and justice, and then know how the minor affairs fall into place; and if not, he will remain upon lies and ignorance in the minor affairs and upon ignorance and injustice in the comprehensive affairs; thus giving birth to great corruption'[Minhaaj As-Sunnah: 5/83]

Spubs Are Tujjaar (Traders)

           Yaa Abaa Fujoor Al-Haasid Al-Kanadi! So Spubs are Tujjaar (traders)!?  Firstly, if you are truthful in your claim, then at least they are not cheats and liars in what they do.  Do they steal merchandize or obtain them by way of fraud?  Indeed, Spubs are callers to Allaah whilst engaged in permissible transactions by way of books, Cds, clothing etc.  However, you (Abu Fujoor) and associates are companions of a book thief.  So which of the two parties is worthy of blame and censure, those accompanying a people engaged in permissible transactions or those who accompany a book thief?  How were you blinded by shaytaan from this distinct reality?

          Yaa Abaa Fujoor Al-Haasid Al-Kanadi! You and your associates have not embarked upon this blameworthy path, except due to anger and hatred against those who reject your excessive statements and false accusations made against Al-Allaama Ubaid Bin Abdillaah Al-Jaabiriy (may Allaah preserve him).  That is why Shaikh Muhammad Bin Haadee Al Madkhalee (may Allaah preserve him) advised us saying:

'Their Criticisms are scattered; they only wish that you free yourselves From Shaikh Ubaid.  Behave As If You Did Not See or Hear Their Speech'

Therefore, Yaa Abaa Fujoor and Company! Return to fairness and justice, and abandon excess and oppression.  Imaam Ibnul Qayyim (rahimahullaah) said:

'Knowledge and Justice are the origin of every good; and ignorance and oppression are the origin of every evil' [Eghaathatul Luhfaan: 2/137]

To this day, you have not presented any convincing knowledge based arguments to prove the hizbiyyah of those you have accused, rather all we hear is screaming and scattered statements in the name of firmness, whilst displaying vile manners and etiquettes.  Who from the kibaar agree with this behavior of yours and your associates, rather you are a people afflicted with self amazement.

So compile your scattered evidences against the Maraakiz of Salafiyyah registered as charities and take it to the old wise scholars, otherwise we are not in need of your statements devoid of knowledge; those statements devoid of that which is clearly applicable to these affairs.

We ask Allaah to protect this blessed manhajus salafi from the ghuluww of Abu Fujoor and his associates and from the deadly hizbiyyah and tasaahul of Ihyaa and Jamiat Ahle Hadeeth UK.

And Allaah knows best

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I also received an unwanted mail from some of these persons.
The should fear Allaah because several 'Ullamaa are not safe from their tongues.

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Abu Fajr - And his Pretending

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