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Moosaa
09-25-2008 @ 5:40 AM    Notify Admin about this post
Abul-'Abbaas Moosaa ibn John Richardson (Jeddah, Saudi Arabia)
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In the Name of Allaah, the Most Merciful...

It has been brought to my attention that a statement is being attributed to me, that I have said:

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"Knowledge about individuals is more important than tawheed"


This statement is clearly falseood.

I do not ever recall making such a statement or even something close to it that could lead to such an understanding, however I would appreciate if someone could direct me to the root of this claim, to whatever audio, article, or post that is being referred to, so I could deal with it accordingly.

Jazaakum Allaahu khayran.

moosaarichardson@yahoo.com

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Moosaa
10-30-2008 @ 10:43 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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[RAISED AS A REMINDER]

one month later, 500+ reads...

and no one can help me on this...?

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Moosaa
11-23-2009 @ 7:59 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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One year later, well over 1000 views...

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sajid_chauhan_81
12-31-2009 @ 2:44 PM    Notify Admin about this post
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Akhi, probably those who have hatred for the Salafee Duaat really stretched what you (& the other brothers) mentioned here.

WAllahu aalam.

Moosaa
04-30-2011 @ 1:23 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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2 1/2 years later... 2300+ views...

Barely worth mentioning that someone who posts on the tabloid chat sites admitted to making this claim and mentioned that:

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If Im wrong, it is due to the fact that
a. shaytan could have played with me wa iyaadhubillah
b. it may have been someone else who posted it, maybe another Musa
c. I may have read the statement in a wrong light or with words that I mistook
d. It could be that you actually stated it, but was unintentionally or unaware of making it.

Seems like a long list of things and a very long way around an easy issue, when perhaps a shorter three-point list would be easier on our Hereafter and more honorable:

1. Stop committing the sin.
2. Be truly remorseful.
3. Intend sincerely to not return to it.


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If you can truthfully state that you never stated this or never intended to say this, I will go to where the claim was made at the above link and make a new post in racantation of this claim and exhonorate you of this claim.

This is was in response to this very post, which begins, "I do not ever recall making such a statement or even something close to it..."

Subhaan Allaah!

Please understand: I know that part of openly calling to Allaah's Religion is that I am going to be slandered.  It comes with the territory.  Miskeen students like myself only taste a tiny, tiny fraction of the slander and abuse that the scholars face.  

I am not asking anyone to exhonorate me on a tabloid forum!  I am only requesting that if I have erred - that my brothers help me to correct the error, so I can free myself of a burden that I won't have to face later in the Hereafter.

But I believe this individual has sadly been heavily influenced by gossip and tabloid slander, as he states in his rather long explanation of why he attributes things to me that he has no basis for:

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I myself believe that it could have been someone else OR that you may have stated it without being aware.  However, the only reason why this statement was used even with the excuse of unaware is because everyone who knows your manhaj can easily expect this of you. The fact that you tried to get... [name removed] ...to get blasted by Shaykh... [name removed] ...himself only reveals volumes about yourself.

So it seems clear that hatred that developed from he-said, she-said gossip amd tale-carrying seems to be a motive in this brother's case.  

May Allaah grant him success in freeing himself from this and other atrocities before a Day comes when the only one who can be saved is the one who comes with a clean heart.

I only mention this here to give our brothers some insight into what kind of grounds the people who write on the tabloid sites actually need to spread things, the reality of their gossip-based hatred and recklessness, paired with their inability to handle their admitted slander when faced with it.  And we ask Allaah for safety.

Moosaa
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abooabdilfattaah
04-30-2011 @ 1:51 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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quote:

However, the only reason why this statement was used even with the excuse of unaware is because everyone who knows your manhaj can easily expect this of you.


Wow, justifiable slander! ıı ııı ııı ııı ııı ııııı

It seems as if the formula for justifiable slander is to: a) invent a lie against an individual; b) allow it to fester; c) dodge responsibility and accountability and, finally; d) blame the victim of the slander by basically suggesting that he would have said it anyway.  

For the record, I've known Abul 'Abbaas for, well, a long time; ever since he uttered the Shahaadatayn, and I cannot "easily expect this" of him.  

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dksadiq
04-30-2011 @ 7:24 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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quote:
Miskeen students like myself only taste a tiny, tiny fraction of the slander and abuse that the scholars face.

From SayingsOfTheSalaf:
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[url=http://www.sayingsofthesalaf.net/index.php/an-insult-with-a-gift-backbiting/]An Insult with a Gift (Backbiting)[/url]

It is reported that 'Abd Al-Rahmān b. Mahdī - Allāh have mercy on him - said, "If it were not for the fact I hate that Allah is disobeyed, I would have wished that no one remain in this city except that he had spoken ill of me and backbitten me; for what is nicer than a good deed a man finds in his records on the Day of Resurrection without having done a thing or even having known?"

Abū Nu'aym, Hilyatu Al-Awliyā' 4:45

Brother Owais Al-Hashimi (may Allah reward him) gives some notes on this here: http://www.sayingsofthesalaf.net/index.php/an-insult-with-a-gift-backbiting/#ixzz1KyPnWKHf

May Allaah guide these people to realize that Allah's Deen is more worthy of being protected - for if those who stubbornly stick to their errors are not warned against, then what sort of Deen do we expect the coming generations to meet?

Moosaa
05-09-2011 @ 7:15 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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some more elaboration on that profound statement attributed to 'Abdur-Rahmaan ibn Mahdee:
http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=11&Topic=1456

Moosaa
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