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Topic: Every Bone taking its Proper Place
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 umm.abdulmalik
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As Salaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu!
I've read Shaykh Al-Albani's book "The Prophet (Sallallahu Alayhi wa Sallam)Prayer Described" and from what I understand there seems to be some concern about legnthening the standing after straightening up from the Rukoo and "every bone taking its proper place" (which Shaykh Al-Albani does address and it does seems as though he has a strong argument - but who am I?). Anyway... Are there other hadiths about the bones taking or not taking their proper place after straightening up from Rukoo? Are there hadiths about placing your hands on your chest after legnthening the standing after Rukoo? Are there Other Scholars opinions for this?
Jazakum Allahu Khyran wa Barak Allahu Feekum!
This message was edited by umm.abdulmalik on 12-8-02 @ 1:24 PM
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| rizwan.arshad
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Assalaamu Alaikum waRahmatullaahi waBarakaatuhu,
Imaam Ibn al-?Uthaymeen, rahimahullaah, said:
It seems that the Sunnah is to place the right hand on the left forearm, because of the general meaning of the hadeeth of Sahl ibn Sa?d which was narrated by al-Bukhaari:
?The people were commanded that a man should put his right hand on his left forearm when praying.?
If you look at the general meaning of this hadeeth you will note that it says ?when praying,? not ?when standing?. Thus it will be clear that when standing after rukoo? it is prescribed to put (the right hand on the left forearm), because when bowing (rukoo?) the hands are placed on the knees, and when prostrating they are placed on the ground, and when sitting they are placed on the thighs. But when standing ? which includes standing both before and after rukoo? ? a person should place his right hand on his left forearm.
This is the correct view.
Ash-Sharh al-Mumti?, 3/146.
And Allaah knows best.
Wassalaamu Alaikum waRahmatullaahi waBarakaatuhu
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| rizwan.arshad
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Assalaamu Alaikum waRahmatullaahi waBarakaatuhu,
The Imaam and Muhaddith, Shaykh Badee-ud-Deen Shaah ar-Raashidee as-Sindhee, rahimahullaah, wrote a paper specifically on this topic in which he supported the opinion that it is sunnah to place the right hand on the left forearm after standing up from rukoo?:
Ziyaadatu-Khushoo? bi wad? al-Yumna ?ala?l-Yusra ba?d ar-Rukoo?.
Also the Imaam, Shaykh ?Abdul-?Azeez Ibn ?Abdullaah Ibn Baaz, rahimahullaah, wrote a paper refuting the position of Imaam al-Albaanee, rahimahullaah, on this issue. In this paper he said there is ijmaa' on the meaning of the bones returning to their places applying to the backbone.
And these two Imaams are the ones about whom Imaam al-Albaanee, rahimahullaah, said 'the students are many but the scholars are only two'.
And Allaah knows best.
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| umm.abdulmalik
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Wa Alaikum Salaam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu!
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| AbuAbbasAlBukhariy
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Assalamu 'alaykum wa Rahmatullah
From Shaykh Al-Albanee's book of prayer...:
He used to instruct them to be at ease in it; hence, he said to "the one who prayed badly", ... Next, raise your head until you are standing straight [and every bone has taken its proper place] - in another narration, When you rise, make your spine upright and raise your head, until the bones return to their joints.Bukhaari & Muslim (first sentence only), Daarimi, Haakim, Shaafi`i & Ahmad. By 'bones' here is meant those of the spinal structure, the vertebrae, as has preceded in the main text.
NB: The meaning of this hadeeth is clear and obvious: to be at ease in this standing. As for the usage of this hadeeth by our brothers from the Hijaaz and elsewhere as evidence to justify placing the right hand on the left in this standing, it is far-removed from the meaning of the multitude of narrations of this hadeeth. In fact it is a false argument, since the placing mentioned is not referred to with regard to the first standing in any of the narrations or wordings of the hadeeth; therefore, how can "the bones taking their proper places" mentioned in the hadeeth be interpreted as referring to the right hand taking hold of the left before rukoo`?! This would apply if all the versions of the hadeeth could be construed to mean this, so what about when they imply an obviously different meaning? In fact, this placing of theirs cannot be inferred from the hadeeth at all, since what is meant by "bones" is the bones of the spine, as confirmed by the Sunnah, "... he would stand straight until every vertebra returned to its place."
I, for one, am in no doubt that to place the hands on the chest in this standing is an innovation and a leading astray, for it is not mentioned in any of the ahaadeeth about prayer, despite their large number. Had this practice any foundation, it would have reached us by at least one narration. Further, not one of the Salaf practised it, nor has a single leading scholar of hadeeth mentioned it, as far as I know.
This is not inconsistent with what Shaikh Tuwaijiri has quoted in his article (pp. 18-19) from Imaam Ahmad (rahimahullaah), "if one wishes, he may leave his hands by his sides, or, if he wishes, he can place them on his chest", for Imaam Ahmad did not attribute this to the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam), but said it from his own ijtihaad and opinion, and opinion can be erroneous. When authentic evidence establishes the innovatory nature of any practice, such as this one, then the saying of an imaam in its favour does not negate its being an innovation, as Shaikh-ul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullaah) has written. In fact, I see in these words of his, an indication that Imaam Ahmad did not regard the above-mentioned placing as being proved in the Sunnah, for he allowed a choice between practising it and leaving it! - Does the respected shaikh think that the Imaam also allowed a similar choice regarding placing the hands before rukoo`? Thus, it is proved that the placing of the hands on the chest in the standing after rukoo` is not part of the Sunnah. This is a brief discussion of this issue, which could be dealt with in more detail and depth, but due to lack of space here, that is done instead in my Refutation against Shaikh Tuwaijiri
wa'alaykum salam
Abu Abbas
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08-12-2002 @ 12:00 AM
08-12-2002 @ 12:00 AM