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Topic: Authenticity of the du'aa' for entering the house:
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 Moosaa
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From the book "Citdel of the Beliver" Invocation from the book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Prophet (peace be upon him).... Researched, Collected and arranged by Sa'id bin Ali ben Wahaf Al-Qahtani, english translation by Omar Johnstone, there is a supplication written that reads as follows in the english translation of the meaning:
Pg. 36 Supplication for when you enter the house
In the Name of Allah we enter, In the Name of Allah we leave, and upon our Lord we depend ...and then say As Salaamu alaikum to those present. (Abu Dawud 4/325)
Ok, my question is, is this authentic to say when entering ones' home?
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Al-Albaanee (may Allaah have Mercy on him) called the chain dha'eef (weak) in his checking of Sunan Abee Daawood (#5096). He further said that the chain is munqati' (broken) in his checking of al-Kalim at-Tayyib (#62). The shaykh mentions a reference to the Silsilah Dha'eefah (#5606), however I only have up to #5500. Until I get a hold of his discussion of the chain, I will assume that he was referring to the narration of Muhammad ibn Ismaa'eel ibn 'Ayyaash on the authority of his father. Aboo Haatim said about Muhammad ibn Ismaa'eel: "He did not hear anything from his father." (al-Mughnee fidh-Dhu'afaa', 2/266)
This is most likely the break in the chain and Allaah knows best.
Also, I noticed that the original hadeeth as it is in Sunan Abee Daawood differs from what you have mentioned. The first part is (what means):
"When a man enters his house, then let him say: O Allaah! Verily I ask you for a good entrance and a good exit, in the Name of Allaah we have entered..."
I don't know why this was not mentioned in its entirity. I checked another translation of the book and it was absent there too, and I further found no mention of "and then say As Salaamu alaikum to those present." I don't know if your translator added that or mine left it out. Since I threw away all my 'Arabic versions of that book (Hisn al-Muslim), then I can not check it with the original. [not important]
Anyway, anybody have the Silsilah Dha'eefah past #5500 so as to confirm the place of inqitaa'?
Moosaa Richardson
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This message was edited by Moosaa on 1-16-04 @ 3:37 AM
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| Daud.Chest
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Asalaamu Ailaykum,
Jazakallaah Khair Akhi, Moosaa!!! Everytime I turn around there's something da'eef in that booklet. Can anyone get one of the Ulema or Students to check that booklet out. Should we even be reading it? Please advise.
Barakallaahu Feekum
Daud Abdullaah
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| Moosaa
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CORRRECTION
For some reason I had referred to Muhammad ibn Ismaa'eel ibn 'Ayyaash as Moosaa ibn Ismaa'eel ibn 'Ayyaash above. So please take note that the narrator who did not hear from his father was Muhammad ibn Ismaa'eel not Moosaa. It has been corrected above.
"do you know of any established, saheeh du'aa's that one can say when entering the house?"
"Bismillaah" - Mentioning Allaah's Name is legislated for entering the house from the hadeeth that Imaam Muslim brings...
Moosaa Richardson
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سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك
أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت
أستغفرك وأتوب إليك
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| wasim.ahmed
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Alhamdulillaah wasalaatu wassalaam ala rasulullaahi wa ba'd -
I read in the same book of supplications of Sa'eed ibn 'Ali al Qahtaani in the footnotes about the above mentioned hadeeth of entering the house that the hadeeth mentoned in Sunan Abu Dawud is Hasan as mentioned by Shaykh bin Baaz (rahimahullaah).
So what is the correct stance taken in regard to this hadeeth.Should we act upon it taking the opinion of Shaykh bin Baaz or not say anything except mentioning Allaah's name when entering since the hadeeth is Da'eef & also Munqati?
wasim ahmad ibn abdur raheem salafi alhindee
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This message was edited by wasim.ahmed on 1-23-04 @ 12:02 PM
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May Allaah have Mercy on Shaykh Ibn Baaz and increase his reward.
Furthermore, about the narrator in question, Muhammad ibn Ismaa'eel, Ibn Hajr said: "They found fault with him that he narrated (haddatha!) on the authority of his father without having heard from him." [at-Taqreeb] and this is very important since this is the only thing mentioned in at-Taqreeb about his ability to narrate.
I would still like to know what is in the Silsilah #5606, so I repeat my request for help, singling out the brothers in Riyaadh specifically, those who know Sa'd ar-Raashid who may have some information about the next voilume of the Dha'eefah, or he may have the manuscript.
May Allaah reward you.
Moosaa ibn John Richardson
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سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك
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AS Salaamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah
Yaa Abul-'Abbaas, you mentioned in your response that :
"I don't know if your translator added that or mine left it out. Since I threw away all my 'Arabic versions of that book (Hisn al-Muslim), then I can not check it with the original. [not important]"
If this book is of no benefit to us , as it contains many daaeef ahadeeth could you suggest a book comprised of authentic of duaa in Arabic or English?
Jazaakullah khairan
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| Moosaa
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1. Kitaab ad-Da'awaat of Imaam al-Bukhaaree, from his Saheeh [over 100 narrations!]
2. Kitaab ad-Da'awaat of Imaam Muslim, from his Saheeh
3. Kitaab ad-Da'awaat and Kitaab al-Athkaar of An-Nawawee, from Riyaadh as-Saaliheen, along with the various supplications mentioned along with the aadaab of eating, dressing, etc. Make a note of the unauthentic narrations from the book as identified by Shaykh al-Albaanee:
http://www.troid.org/articles/hadeeth/weakhadeeth/gardensoftherighteous.htm
I do not know the quality of the translations of these books.
Moosaa ibn John Richardson
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سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك
أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت
أستغفرك وأتوب إليك
This message was edited by Moosaa on 2-27-04 @ 4:15 AM
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4. Al-Kalim at-Tayyib of Shaykh al-Islaam, with the takhreej and checking by al-Albaanee
I remember seeing that one in English about 8 years ago. If I remember correctly, it had absolutely no 'Arabic in it, so I doubt it would be helpful to memorize English transliterations. But since the book is small, someone could purchase the 'Arabic book to memorize the supplications and thikr from the 'Arabic and use the English book to understand their meanings.
Moosaa ibn John Richardson
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سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك
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5. The Prophet's Prayer Described (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) of Shaykh al-Albaanee
Memorize the different opening supplications for the prayer (some are different for night prayers), thikr for the rukoo', sujood, sitting, tashah-hud, salaat on the Prophet, seeking refuge in 4 things, etc.
I mention this as a reminder since many of our brothers and sisters have been Muslims for years and still do not know the tashah-hud properly or its meaning. The priority for them would not be to look for optional supplications for the day and night, rather they have to do their best to pray as the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) prayed, since it is the first of their deeds they will be asked about on the Day of Judgement.
Moosaa ibn John Richardson
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سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك
أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت
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Salaamu Ailaykum,
Jazakallaahu Khair Akhi Moosa. Are you going to go through the whole book? If not, could you verify the authenticity of the du'a for entering the Masjid?
Barakallaahu Feekum,
Daud Abdullaah As-Salafi
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| roshdy.majdoub
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Akhee Moosa please check your PM....
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