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Part 2: The first point Concerning Shaykh Ibn Baaz and Elections
Concerning the saying of Abdul-Qadir al-Lootonee, read out:
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"What we need to explain is the principle of " tathbeequl manaat" which is implementation of ahkaam ( Rulings). In this regard we are specifically discussing the issue of our stance when scholars make mistakes or a student of knowledge makes a mistake or the Duaat make a mistake even a general person makes a mistake how do we deal with them. Do we refute them all? Do we let it be? Do we warn against them? Do we abandon them? Do we take them out of Salafiyah? Do we label them? Do we say they are Mutasahil in their salafiyah?...
1. Sheikhh Ibn Baaz gave a fatwa saying it is permissible to join in elections? We know well that the ikwaan al muflisoon are the ones calling for this as a major part of their dawa. Did any other scholar make jarh of him?(Sheikh Ibn Baaz) Did they accuse him of being mutasahil, or being ikwaani? Of course not but they did not accept his fatwa.!!"
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Shaykh Faalih al-Harbee:
"Stop here...this speech is baatil, its apparentness is... meaning the evidence for its falsehood, is its inherent falsehood. This speech, then Shaykh Ibn Baaz, or anyone besides Shaykh Ibn Baaz is not to be declared an Innovator by it, since this is a matter of ijtihaad in relation to an event, incident that has occurred, arisen. And in accordance to what has come to him (i.e. how the issue was put to him), then he has given a verdict based upon what is apparent to him. So if the Shaykh was still alive, then he would have either taken this fatwaa back, or he will have remained upon this fatwa based upon what he knows and what he believes because it is the truth (to him). For when a muftee issues a fatwaa, he issues a fatwaa based upon what relates to these issues, and this has no link to his actual [overall] manhaj, and nor does it have any link to his [overall] knowledge. Rather, this matter is linked to the ijtihaad of a person to a specific situation, issue, which actually exits from (being included in) this person's manhaj and his knowledge...
Questioner: "Meaning something that occurs..."
Shaykh Faalih:"Yes, [in relation] to something that occurs. Therefore, these words that this man has brought are not applicable, they are not applicable to Shaykh Ibn Baaz in this matter. But Shaykh Ibn Baaz made ijtihaad in accordance to what was apparent to him, and it does not have any link to his manhaj or any link to his knowledge. For his knowledge, its basis is the Book and the Sunnah and his manhaj is that of Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah. And just like Shaykh Ibn Baaz and other than him pass verdicts upon Jamaa'at ul-Ikhwaan and Jamaa'at ut-Tableegh, based upon what he knows and what is apparent to him, and then someone else besides him knows from them what he does not know, and then this has no link to either his manhaj, or to his knowledge. Then this is what is said in relation to this type of matter.
And it is vital to point out the danger of this type of speech, and this thought (fikr). This speech is dangerous.
This is an ignorant (jaahil) man. Who is this man?"
Questioner: "Yaa Shaykh, this man is Abdul-Qaadir, he is with us in Britain, in a town called Luton..."
Shaykh Faalih: "This man is... [this bit not clear, but seems be]: ... give me the other issues (he has written)..."
Questioner: "Yes, Shaykh, he says..."
Another questioner: "Shaykh just to clarify this first point, even the brother who mentioned this fatwaa he did not mention the text of the fatwaa, how he was asked, and how this matter reached the Shaykh..."
Shaykh Faalih: "We have responded to this, when we said, "...And in accordance to what has come to the Shaykh (i.e. how the issue was put to him) of the understanding of this matter, and sometimes it could be hidden from him, and this does not harm his knowledge or his manhaj as long as it does not become apparent to him. And I said, that sometimes the fatwa can change, and these are from the affairs of a scholar when he gives a fatwaa then he changes it, and this is because this (the fatwaa) is not applicable as a whole, like a manhaj that he may be upon, or like knowledge, but based upon what he knows and understands of masaalih (things that bring benefit) and mafaasid (things that bring harm), and what is apparent to him from this individual (who has asked him) or from that manhaj, and sometimes he can change his viewpoint, and he is a mujtahid, and he is between one and two rewards ..."
Shaykh Abu Abdul-Baaree al-Jazaa'iree[**] : "Also the Shaykh, the question is tied to a specific location..."
Shaykh Faalih: "...Irrespective of this restriction, it is not permissible for him (i.e. al-Lootonee), since the fatwa of the Shaykh is restricted, so it is not permissible for him to use it (in this manner) without this restriction to it...therefore his saying (i.e. al-Lootonee's) is not sound, it is not correct...this man, I fear that he follows baatil and he does not desire the truth. Or he is a jaahil, who speaks with jahl and then thinks that his jahl is knowledge, this is a calamity, and if this is knowledge, then what is jahl?".
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abu.sagheer
21-09-2002 @ 12:00 AM
