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Topic: Hadith on 2 types of Knowledge - Explanation
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Markaz Mu'adh Ibn Jabal & SalafiBooksto
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Bismillaahi was salaatu was salaamu 'alaa rasoolillaah, wa ba'ad;
assalaamu'alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu
Could one of the tullaab please answer the following question we have received from one of our brothers in the US.
wa jazaakallaahu khairan
Rayhaan (SalafiBookstore Slough)
"As Salaam Alaikum
I have a question I need answers to in order to refute the people of bida?ah and shirk in San Diego. Please try to find me an answer as soon as possible to that the people can be guided to the Haqq and not fall for the tricks of Shaiyateen.
Question: The is a saying of Abu Huraira (R): ?I have memorized two kinds of knowledge from Rasulullah (S) . I have propagated one of them to you and if I propagated the second, then my pharynx (throat) would be cut (i.e. killed). [Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 1, Book 3, Number 121]. The people of Bida?ah here in San Diego are quoting this to say that there are two types of knowledge and apparent and a hidden. They say that this hidden knowledge is only known by the Sufi Shaikhs who amy do things against the apparent rules of Islam but it is from the hidden knowledge (Astaghfurullah). Since this is an authentic saying from Sahih Al-Bukhair there must be another meaning of this saying. This is in Sahih Al-Bukhair fo it must have been explained by Imaam Ibn Hajar in Fath-ul-Bari. Can you please let me know what Imaam Ibn Hajar said about this saying in Fath-ul-Bari and what the other scholars of the past may have said about this?
JazzakAllah Khair wa Salaam Alaikum
Your brother in Islam
Uthman"
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Abul-'Abbaas Moosaa ibn John Richardson
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Wa 'alaykumus-salaamu wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh.
From the Saheeh of al-Bukhaaree (#120):
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حفظتُ من رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وِعَاءَينِ :
فأما أحدهما فبثثته ؛ وأما الآخر فلو بثثته قُطِعَ هذا البُلْعُومُ. |
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The meaning:
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| "I have memorized from the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam [1], two containers (of narrations): As for the first one, then I have relayed it; as for the other, if I were to convey it, this pharynx (throat) would get cut." |
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Ibn Hajr said:
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| "The 'ulamaa' have understood the container (of knowledge) that he did not relay as being that which identifies the names of the (future) evil rulers, their situations, and their eras. Aboo Hurayrah used to allude to some of it and not mention it explicitly, fearing for his own self from them (the rulers), like his statement, "I seek refuge in Allaah from the head of 60 (years) and the leadership of a young man," alluding to the khilaafah of Yazeed ibn Mu'aawiyyah, since it occurred at the year 60 after Hijrah, and Allaah had answered the supplication of Aboo Hurayrah and thus he died one year before that." [2] |
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He also said:
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| "The written narrations (of the second container), had they been related to Sharee'ah rulings, then he could not have hid them, due to what he mentioned in the first hadeeth [3] regarding the aayah that censures the hiding of knowledge. And others have said that it is possible that he intended by the (second) kind of knowledge mentioned: things related to the signs of the Hour, the changing of situations and the killing to come in the last days." |
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From Fat-hul Baaree (1/273-274), Daar al-Hadeeth. Since I am out of time now, I will give others a chance to add the three important footnotes. And Allaah knows best.
Moosaa ibn John Richardson
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سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك
أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت
أستغفرك وأتوب إليك
This message was edited by Moosaa on 3-9-04 @ 3:52 AM
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Abul-'Abbaas Moosaa ibn John Richardson
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[posted twice by accident]
This message was edited by Moosaa on 3-9-04 @ 3:49 AM
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~*~Om Asiyah~*~ Maryam al-Bashiti
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Bismillah was salatu wa salam 'ala Rasulilah wa ba'd
Assalamu 3alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu
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The people of Bida?ah here in San Diego are quoting this to say that there are two types of knowledge and apparent and a hidden. They say that this hidden knowledge is only known by the Sufi Shaikhs who amy do things against the apparent rules of Islam but it is from the hidden knowledge (Astaghfurullah). Since this is an authentic saying from Sahih Al-Bukhair there must be another meaning of this saying. This is in Sahih Al-Bukhair fo it must have been explained by Imaam Ibn Hajar in Fath-ul-Bari. Can you please let me know what Imaam Ibn Hajar said about this saying in Fath-ul-Bari and what the other scholars of the past may have said about this?
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About your question that some people (eg. sufees) use this as a daleel for saying that there is a known and hidden knowledge, than ibn Hajr continues on and says in meaning that ibn al-muneer said mentioned that the Batiniyyah (a sect) used this hadeeth as proof for their falsehood to say that there is a hidden and known knowledge in the sharee'ah, and that the reason why Abu Huraira didn't mention that knowledge was from that the people of injustice will cut his head off if he mentioned their wrong-doings and deviations. This is a brief explanaiton form ibn hajr on the hadeeth , if someone can give a more detailed one it would better.
(Relayed to me from my brother-in-law Rani ibn AbdulAziz Bashiti Barakallahu feek)
Assalamu 3alaikum
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Nobody wants to add the footnotes? OK...
[1] Sending salaah and salaam upon the Messenger (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) is a kind of du'aa', and du'aa' is tawqeefiyyah, ie. you may not do it however you like, you may only do it as has been legislated. Thus, abbreviating the salaah and the salaam by typing ( S ) or anything else is not permissible based on the statements of the scholars:
http://www.bakkah.net/articles/(sallallaahu alayhi wasallam).htm
So kindly convey this to the questioner, may Allaah reward you.
[2] It has been said that he died in the year 57. Some said 58, others said 59, and others said 60.
Moosaa ibn John Richardson
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سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك
أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت
أستغفرك وأتوب إليك
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Abul-'Abbaas Moosaa ibn John Richardson
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In fact the admin has implemented an automatic fix for those who type the letters " S A W S " that it gets changed into "sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam". Unfortunately, the URL above got messed up due to that. So if you are interested in the article about abbreviating the salaah and the salaam, then go to the bakkah.net main page and look at the links on the left of the page, you will find it there in shaa' Allaah.
Moosaa ibn John Richardson
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سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك
أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت
أستغفرك وأتوب إليك
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Markaz Mu'adh Ibn Jabal & SalafiBooksto
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jazaakallaahu khairun brother Moosa wa jazaakillaah khairan sister Umm Abdil Aziz for posting clarification pertaining to the hadith.
wa alaikum assalaam wa rahmatullah
SalafiBookstoreSlough
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08-03-2004 @ 10:59 AM
09-03-2004 @ 3:45 AM
12-03-2004 @ 11:08 AM