Abu.Haneefah | -- 14-02-2004 @ 6:12 AM | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
As-Salaamu alaykoom Al-humdulillah, in February of this year, I was able to visit Shaykh Fawzee in Bahrain at his center, Markaz Imam Bukhari. It was the Shaykh?s habit of giving visitors a ride from the durus. It was one of the many ways the Shaykh showed his hospitality. This also was a great opportunity to ask questions. One night, Abu Bakr ?one of the shaykh's students, a good friend of mine Sadeeq and myself rode back from the dars with the Shaykh. This night, I had the following conversation with Shaykh Fawzee regarding the family name: Myself: Shaykh, I would like to ask you a question regarding the Islamic naming system. Specifically the family names of African-Americans who by and large are descendants from slavery. The family name that we have is actually that of the slave owner, and the owner?s family name was passed down to us. Do U know about this situation, ya shaykh? Abu Bakr: Their original names were Muslim. Shaykh Fawzee: I understand. I am aware of this. Your question is regarding this family name, if one in this situation should keep it? Myself: Yes, I?d also like to ask questions about how a new Muslim should name himself in general. Shaykh: Ask Myself: Regarding the first name should it be changed? Shaykh: It?s better to change it. If when a person hears your name, a kafir comes to mind or one associates that name with non-Muslims, it?s better to change it. This is from the perspective of differing from the kufar. This person should choose a praiseworthy name usually associated with the Muslims. Myself: What about his father?s name? Shaykh: It?s haraam for him to change this name. It should remain as it is. Myself: What do you say about the family name regarding African Americans (the last name)? Shaykh: Do they know what their original names were? Myself: Laa Shaykh. It was changed years ago. Shaykh: I understand. Then it is upon them to choose a good name. It?s permissible to change the one that was given to them. Myself: It?s permissible ya shaykh? Shaykh: Why not, if it?s not their name to begin with. It?s another family?s name. Then Laa Bass, it can be changed. This message was edited by Abu.Haneefah on 2-14-04 @ 6:19 AM
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al.Arabaanee | -- 14-02-2004 @ 8:32 AM | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Wa alaikumussalam The Afro-Americans have diverse backgrounds. These European surnames that many of us have are also said to have just been chosen by some African people and not being the name of his/her master. Also maybe a Master could have had a child with his female slave or the other way around and thus the child took the European name. The question is what if one is not sure if this European surname is from of his/her ancestors. Should/could the name still be changed in this case? We know that knowledge goes before statements and actions. Abdur Rahmaan Al-Atharee إذا التبستِ الأمورُ فعليكُمْ بالأمرِ العتيقِ
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Abu.Haneefah | -- 14-02-2004 @ 8:33 PM | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
As-Salaamu alaykoom: You brought up a good point akhee. Something that I did not consider. Perhaps if you are able you can give us further clarification. In regards to me, my grandfather has kept with him details of our family history, as his grandfather was a slave. We know for a fact that name was changed and the Caucasian family that it belongs to still resides in Gainesville, Georgia. As for the situation of others, AllahuAlim. This is an issue that I felt needed clarification as we find Muslims naming themselves in many ways. Some have placed Al-Athary or As-Salafy or Al-Amerky as a family name. Some have ignored their father?s name completely. Some have taken the father?s first name and disregarded the family name and so forth. I find this even among some callers. So it had become somewhat confusing as to what was permissible and what was not. Each person should fear Allah as regards to lineage, because this is one of the things that Islam came to preserve. However just as it is haraam to deny your ancestry it is just as much haraam to claim the ancestry of another. Ismael El-Tay ibn Habeeb
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Ibrahim.Sales | -- 15-02-2004 @ 3:25 AM | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
A brother, after reading this post, asked me to post this question to one of the duaat who can take this question to the one of the 'ulamaa. "My mother (while she was a non muslim) married a man when I was 6 months old. I was raised beleiving he was my father until I was about 10 or 11 years old when he adopted me legally in the kaafir courts and they told me that he wasn't my biological father. I never knew my real father and to this day i carry the last name of my "adopted" father (my mother's husband). My children also carry this name. The question is what should I do in this situation? It seems to me that Sheikh Fawzee's naseehah applies to my situation also as my disconnection to my lineage occurs directly at my birth and not generations ago as the previous questioner's did. Truly, knowledge precedes speech and action so I am reluctant to change it just like that, without the proper knowledge. Anyone who can bring mmy question to one of the shuyookh, it would be greatly appreciated. My family is in need of this answer."
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al.Arabaanee | -- 19-02-2004 @ 11:05 AM | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Wa alaikumussalam More on names: http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=10&Topic=2621 Abdur Rahmaan Al-Arabani إذا التبستِ الأمورُ فعليكُمْ بالأمرِ العتيقِ
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al.Arabaanee | -- 19-02-2004 @ 11:16 AM | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
As salamu alaikum Does anyone know if it is an obligation to change our names according to the government or is it good enough to have the Muslims refer to us with a particular name for those of us who reside in non-Muslim countries? Baarakallahu feekum Abdur Rahmaan Al-Arabani إذا التبستِ الأمورُ فعليكُمْ بالأمرِ العتيقِ
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muhammad.hamza.sk | -- 20-02-2004 @ 1:53 AM | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
As-Salaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullaah Further to this topic, I posted a question that was asked on my behalf to our Shaykh, Muhammad bin Haadee (hafidhahullaah) regarding the lineage of the child born of fornication (see http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=6&topic=3200 ) and he established that the one born outside of wedlock does not have a father. Since then I no longer use the surname I previously used. Can I then choose my own Islaamic surname or do I take the surname of my mother that she possessed at the time I was born? Or shall I just leave my name simply as "Muhammad" and forget about applying a surname to myself? I apologise for dragging this topic on and on but I am at the moment having a bit of an "Identity Crisis" with regards to my name and I wish to ensure that, bi ithnillaahi ta 'aala, my children have a solid lineage, beginning from myself. Jazzakamullaah khayr!!! Akhook, Aboo Ahmad Muhammad as-Salafee London, UK
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al.Arabaanee | -- 20-02-2004 @ 5:27 AM | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Wa alaikumussalamu wa rahmatullah Maybe this will help: http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=6&Topic=3200 Abdur Rahmaan bin Tony إذا التبستِ الأمورُ فعليكُمْ بالأمرِ العتيقِ
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alatharee | -- 21-02-2004 @ 1:06 PM | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
What constitutes an "Afro-American" and what is the permissibility of using the term? What is the source of the term and does it have an Islaamic basis? Can it be proven that all people of darker skin in America came from Africa? Even if it can be proven, can the term still be used? Is there such thing as a white Afro American? For example, a white man traces his roots back to South Africa or Kenya for 500 or so years and his family migrates to the States, is he considered "African American"? What is the basis of the term when many black Americans have Native American and Latino lineage? Do we find the Salaf using similar terminology? For example, can one say Afro-Syrian or Mekki-Habashi? If someone can shed some scholastic light on this I would appreciate it. Barak Allaahu Feekum Aboo Abdillaah Umar ---------------- أذا اشتد صيف الحزبيين , وشتاء القطبيين , وخريف السروريين , فاعلم أن الأمة بحاجة إلى ربيع السنة و الدين
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ibrahim.bukhari | -- 21-02-2004 @ 1:40 PM | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Taken from Webster's New World College Dictionary 4th Edition:
In a more perfect world, we would all simply be called "children of Adam" waAllaahu alam
Aboo Khaleel "Ibraheem" Bukharee Ibn Abdullaah Michigan - USA This message was edited by ibrahim.bukhari on 2-21-04 @ 2:02 PM
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ibrahim.bukhari | -- 21-02-2004 @ 2:25 PM | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
To add even more confusion to the issue: Where does a person (like myself) who is half white (european-american mother) and half black (african-american father) fit in to the mix? Everyone always says to me "Masha'Allaah I thought you were an arab"? Does this make me a Euro-Afro American, Arab Look-a-Like? All the different lables seem to be rather silly at times. For me personally, the bottom line is this... my identity is Muslim, my culture is Islaam and I prefer a name that reflects my BELIEFS, not my color, nationality or ethnic origin. For example, my last name is Bukhari (legally changed) and to my knowledge NOBODY in my family history is from Bukharest, however I took the name because of my love for the Sunnah and it helps identify me as a Muslim insha'Allaah, and like many other African Americans I assume that my fathers original family name was lost during slavery. If somebody wants to discuss my racial make-up, family background etc. that's fine, but to me it's just a small matter of "worldly affairs". The Messenger of Allaah sallallahu alaihi wa salam said: Related by at-Tirmidhee (no. 2863) and at-Tiyaalisee (no. 1161) and others. It was authenticated by Shaykh al-Albanee Shaykh-ul-Islaam Ibn Tamiyyah rahimahullaah mentioned in Majmoo'ul-Fataawaa (3/456):
Aboo Khaleel Ibraheem Bukharee Ibn Abdullaah This message was edited by ibrahim.bukhari on 2-21-04 @ 7:05 PM
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